SSJ2 Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. SSJ4 Goku (Surpassed Limits) - Page 5

Madness · 05-03-2008

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Originally Posted by apocalypse1280

So having said all that you still think SSJ2 Vegito could beat Omega Shenron? Just because Vegito was stated to be the strongest character in DBZ? Amazing.

Yes. Are we not being clear?

apocalypse1280 · 05-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

Yes. Are we not being clear?

As I said, simply amazing.

I agree with you on SSJ4 Gogeta though.

vicdmx · 05-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

SSJ3 Goku in GT wasn't even stronger than SSJ Vegeto in Z. SSJ4 Goku is stronger than Vegeto but the difference between them is the smaller than the difference between SSJ3 and SSJ4. If Vegeto goes SSJ2, then he'll just own Goku.

Yeah okay I know that SSJ3 Goku is not has strong has SSJ Vegito but still it´s Goku(SURPASSED LIMITS) and Goku would nick it by like being 0,1x stronger or something.

apocalypse1280 · 05-03-2008

First off, if nothing says SSJ3 Goku(GT) is stronger then Vegito, then that goes both ways. Nothing says that Vegito is stronger than SSJ3 Goku(GT) either. Plus the fact that no one commented on SSJ3 Goku's strength is a weak point at best. Vegito was a new transformation that was stronger then the person he was fighting. Same thing with SSJ4 Goku, until Baby Vegeta went Golden Oozaru. Just because SSJ3 Goku's strength was never commented on doesn't mean shit. The fact that SSJ Goku was stronger then Buu should be common sense on how strong SSJ3 and SSJ4 Goku is. It took a SSJ4 Gogeta and a Spirit Bomb powered by the entire universe to put a dent in/kill Omega Shenron. SSJ2 Vegito wouldn't even touch that level of power.

Period.

vicdmx · 05-03-2008

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Originally Posted by apocalypse1280

First off, if nothing says SSJ3 Goku(GT) is stronger then Vegito, then that goes both ways. Nothing says that Vegito is stronger than SSJ3 Goku(GT) either. Plus the fact that no one commented on SSJ3 Goku's strength is a weak point at best. Vegito was a new transformation that was stronger then the person he was fighting. Same thing with SSJ4 Goku, until Baby Vegeta went Golden Oozaru. Just because SSJ3 Goku's strength was never commented on doesn't mean shit. The fact that SSJ Goku was stronger then Buu should be common sense on how strong SSJ3 and SSJ4 Goku is. It took a SSJ4 Gogeta and a Spirit Bomb powered by the entire universe to put a dent in/kill Omega Shenron. SSJ2 Vegito wouldn't even touch that level of power.

Period.

Very good point there it took a lot to kill omega shenron.

Madness · 05-03-2008

SSJ4 Gogeta was playing with Shenron. He could've killed him any time he wanted.

**Majuub** · 05-03-2008

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Originally Posted by apocalypse1280

First off, if nothing says SSJ3 Goku(GT) is stronger then Vegito, then that goes both ways. Nothing says that Vegito is stronger than SSJ3 Goku(GT) either. Plus the fact that no one commented on SSJ3 Goku's strength is a weak point at best. Vegito was a new transformation that was stronger then the person he was fighting. Same thing with SSJ4 Goku, until Baby Vegeta went Golden Oozaru. Just because SSJ3 Goku's strength was never commented on doesn't mean shit. The fact that SSJ Goku was stronger then Buu should be common sense on how strong SSJ3 and SSJ4 Goku is. It took a SSJ4 Gogeta and a Spirit Bomb powered by the entire universe to put a dent in/kill Omega Shenron. SSJ2 Vegito wouldn't even touch that level of power.

Period.

Well, try to make a case as to why SSJ3 Goku in GT is stronger than SSJ Vegeto in Z. It was never stated but if you have proof to say otherwise, then feel free to share them. SSJ3 Goku in Z was much weaker than base Vegeto in Z, the difference between SSJ3 Goku and SSJ Vegeto is beyond ridiculous. The difference between SSJ Goku(GT) and SSJ Vegeto(Z) is about the same difference between SSJ3 Gok(Z) and SSJ Vegeto(Z). Even if SSJ Goku(GT) transforms 2x, that still won't make him strong enough to be stronger than Vegeto. Unless you can prove SSJ3 Goku in GT is stronger than SSJ Vegeto, SSJ Vegeto is stronger because it's a stated fact.

Lol, no, it didn't take a SSJ4 Gogeta to beat Yi Xing Long, the gap between them was probably the biggest gap seen in the DB universe, even SSJ Vegeto wasn't owning Yi Xing Long like that. All it took was a universal Genki-Dama, that's it, Gogeta could have finished him off with a gaze.

SSJ4 Vegito · 05-03-2008

Yeah, SSJ4 Gogeta stated he only needed one finger to defeat Omega Shenron, which actually seems believeable.
However on the basis of SSJ3 Goku (GT)>Super Vegito what people are forgetting is the fact that GT was based off of the anime. So by that logic we have Base Vegito>>Gohan Buu. So really unless SSJ2 Goku (GT) is at least in the league of Gohan Buu his SSJ3 form won't make him as good as Super Vegito, however it's probably not.
Goku's SSJ form in GT is roughly equal to Gotenks' SSJ form. Since I believe the SSJ2 multiplier to be at least 5-fold (from SSJ), and SSJ3 multiplier at 3-fold (From SSJ2) I figure SSJ2 Goku (GT) to be between Mystic Gohan & Gotenks Buu, closer to Gotenks Buu. SSJ3 Goku (GT) would be enough to surpass Base Vegito, but Super Vegito is still alot stronger. Bebi-Vegeta utterly destroyed SSJ3 Goku so he's probably close to Vegito's SSJ power. I do believe Goku would win, but still making SSJ3 Goku (GT) stronger than Super Vegito is overdoing it alot.

vicdmx · 05-03-2008

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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Vegito

Yeah, SSJ4 Gogeta stated he only needed one finger to defeat Omega Shenron, which actually seems believeable.
However on the basis of SSJ3 Goku (GT)>Super Vegito what people are forgetting is the fact that GT was based off of the anime. So by that logic we have Base Vegito>>Gohan Buu. So really unless SSJ2 Goku (GT) is at least in the league of Gohan Buu his SSJ3 form won't make him as good as Super Vegito, however it's probably not.
Goku's SSJ form in GT is roughly equal to Gotenks' SSJ form. Since I believe the SSJ2 multiplier to be at least 5-fold (from SSJ), and SSJ3 multiplier at 3-fold (From SSJ2) I figure SSJ2 Goku (GT) to be between Mystic Gohan & Gotenks Buu, closer to Gotenks Buu. SSJ3 Goku (GT) would be enough to surpass Base Vegito, but Super Vegito is still alot stronger. Bebi-Vegeta utterly destroyed SSJ3 Goku so he's probably close to Vegito's SSJ power. I do believe Goku would win, but still making SSJ3 Goku (GT) stronger than Super Vegito is overdoing it alot.

SSJ Kid Goku in GT would be about 0,2x weaker than SSJ gotenks in my opinion and has for the SSJ3 Goku(GT)>SSJ Vegito I kind of disagree because has you said SSJ2 is not in the league of Gohan buu.

But I am still thinking that SSJ4 Goku(Surpassed limits)>SSJ2 vegito by a bit but if we are talking about normal SSJ4 Goku then SSJ2 Vegito would win.

**Majuub** · 05-03-2008

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Originally Posted by vicdmx

SSJ Kid Goku in GT would be about 0,2x weaker than SSJ gotenks in my opinion and has for the SSJ3 Goku(GT)>SSJ Vegito I kind of disagree because has you said SSJ2 is not in the league of Gohan buu.

But I am still thinking that SSJ4 Goku(Surpassed limits)>SSJ2 vegito by a bit but if we are talking about normal SSJ4 Goku then SSJ2 Vegito would win.

The gap between SSJ3 Goku(GT) and SSJ Vegeto is considerable. Even if Goku has his limits supressed as SSJ4, I doubt it would make him more powerful than SSJ2 Vegeto.

It goes like this.

SSJ Vegeto>>>>>Base Vegeto>SSJ3 Goku(GT)>Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed)

You see, the gap is pretty wide, if Goku gets to SSJ4(Supressed limits) he'll obviously go beyond Vegeto, but if Vegeto goes SSJ2, the difference will come back and might be even greater.

vicdmx · 05-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

The gap between SSJ3 Goku(GT) and SSJ Vegeto is considerable. Even if Goku has his limits supressed as SSJ4, I doubt it would make him more powerful than SSJ2 Vegeto.

It goes like this.

SSJ Vegeto>>>>>Base Vegeto>SSJ3 Goku(GT)>Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed)

You see, the gap is pretty wide, if Goku gets to SSJ4(Supressed limits) he'll obviously go beyond Vegeto, but if Vegeto goes SSJ2, the difference will come back and might be even greater.

Could be..

**Majuub** · 05-03-2008

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Originally Posted by vicdmx

Could be..

Unless when Goku's surpassed limits worth about two stage of SSJ, SSJ4 Goku(Surpassed limits) would still be fairly weaker than SSJ2 Vegeto.

vicdmx · 05-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

Unless when Goku's surpassed limits worth about two stage of SSJ, SSJ4 Goku(Surpassed limits) would still be fairly weaker than SSJ2 Vegeto.

But we have to take in the fact that SSJ4>>SSJ2 too.

**Majuub** · 05-03-2008

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Originally Posted by vicdmx

But we have to take in the fact that SSJ4>>SSJ2 too.

I think no one here knows. What is greater, the multiplier from SSJ to SSJ2 or the multiplier from SSJ3 to SSJ4? I don't think someone can give a clear cut answer.

stefzed54 · 05-03-2008

SSJ2 multiplier is too big of an increase for SSJ4 Goku to still stay stronger.

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SSJ4 Vegito (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,124 Rep Power: 5	Re: SSJ2 Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. SSJ4 Goku (Surpassed Limits) Yeah, SSJ4 Gogeta stated he only needed one finger to defeat Omega Shenron, which actually seems believeable. However on the basis of SSJ3 Goku (GT)>Super Vegito what people are forgetting is the fact that GT was based off of the anime. So by that logic we have Base Vegito>>Gohan Buu. So really unless SSJ2 Goku (GT) is at least in the league of Gohan Buu his SSJ3 form won't make him as good as Super Vegito, however it's probably not. Goku's SSJ form in GT is roughly equal to Gotenks' SSJ form. Since I believe the SSJ2 multiplier to be at least 5-fold (from SSJ), and SSJ3 multiplier at 3-fold (From SSJ2) I figure SSJ2 Goku (GT) to be between Mystic Gohan & Gotenks Buu, closer to Gotenks Buu. SSJ3 Goku (GT) would be enough to surpass Base Vegito, but Super Vegito is still alot stronger. Bebi-Vegeta utterly destroyed SSJ3 Goku so he's probably close to Vegito's SSJ power. I do believe Goku would win, but still making SSJ3 Goku (GT) stronger than Super Vegito is overdoing it alot.