SSJ2 Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. SSJ4 Goku (Surpassed Limits) - Page 2

Senzu_Bean · 04-27-2008

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Originally Posted by SRP76

As you see there, Super Saiyan 4 Goku in GT is stronger than any Super Saiyan 2 Vegito from Z. And that's before any additional powering up.

Same where as well.

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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Vegito

So Golden Oozaru Goku is probably around Super Vegito, SSJ4 Goku is even stronger...

Actually Golden Oozaru is equal to SSj4 in term of power though SSj4 is faster than Golden Oozaru. It has to be like this or the small power of Bebi at this time wouldn't be enough to make Vegeta-Bebi [Golden Oozaru] stronger than SSj4 Goku.

SSJ4 Vegito · 04-27-2008

Actually Baby Vegeta was stronger than Goku on equal footing when they fought I think its basically like this:

SSJ3 GT Goku: 100

Bebi-Vegeta Final Form: 120

Golden Oozaru Goku: 1,000

Golden Oozaru Bebi-Vegeta: 1,200

SSJ4 Goku: 1,200

Perhaps once Baby chooses a permanent host his power as well as the host's power is multiplied. So really that would explain how SSJ2 Vegeta is able to keep up with SSJ3 Goku and then with the 2 additional transformations he's far stronger then SSJ3 Goku. If they went through the same transformation (Golden Oozaru) then Bebi-Vegeta is ahead as shown through Goku's battles with him. So if Golden Oozaru= SSJ4 then SSJ4 Goku would have been annihilated. So therefore SSJ4 Goku>>>Golden Oozaru Goku.

Senzu_Bean · 04-27-2008

Sorry but I really don't understand where you provided a fact that Golden Oozaru is stronger than SSj4. Can you please enlighten me?

Devilz · 04-27-2008

SSJ4 is the same thing as Golden Oozaru.

**Majuub** · 04-27-2008

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Originally Posted by Devilz

SSJ4 is the same thing as Golden Oozaru.

Yeah, the only difference is the size and the fact SSJ4 is intelligent enough to control his power and not blast everything around him. In terms of raw power I would still give the edge to the Golden Oozaru though.

Senzu_Bean · 04-27-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

Yeah, the only difference is the size and the fact SSJ4 is intelligent to control his power and not blast everything around him. In terms of raw power I would still give the edge to the Golden Oozaru though.

Only Goku would do that. Well a conscious Golden Oozaru doesn't actually exist because that would make you a SSj4 immediately.

**Majuub** · 04-27-2008

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Originally Posted by Senzu_Bean

Only Goku would do that. Well a conscious Golden Oozaru doesn't actually exist because that would make you a SSj4 immediately.

In fact, almost all saiyans would do that. Only elite saiyans wouldn't do that because they are capable of controling their Oozaru form.

stefzed54 · 04-27-2008

Is Golden Ozaru a 10x multiplier? So it would be 10x normal Base Kid Goku's strength? That's not alot.

**Majuub** · 04-27-2008

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Originally Posted by stefzed54

Is Golden Ozaru a 10x multiplier? So it would be 10x normal Base Kid Goku's strength? That's not alot.

That would be 10x multiplied by the multiplier of the SSJ. So, it could be 10x50-500x from base.

SRP76 · 04-27-2008

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Originally Posted by Devilz

SSJ4 is the same thing as Golden Oozaru.

That's like trying to say that Super Saiyan 3 is the same thing as base. If it were the same, Super Saiyan 4 Goku would have been killed by Ape Baby without having a chance.

**Majuub** · 04-27-2008

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Originally Posted by SRP76

That's like trying to say that Super Saiyan 3 is the same thing as base. If it were the same, Super Saiyan 4 Goku would have been killed by Ape Baby without having a chance.

Not at all. SSJ4 is just a controled Golden Oozaru, nothing else. Your comparison was completely retard. At least you could have said: It's like saying Oozaru is the same thing as base saiyan.

SRP76 · 04-27-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

Not at all. SSJ4 is just a controled Golden Oozaru, nothing else. Your comparison was completely retard. At least you could have said: It's like saying Oozaru is the same thing as base saiyan.

Did you even watch the show?

Baby >>>>> Goku. Even as Super Saiyan 3.

That means Ape Baby >>>>>> Ape Goku. Period. So for Super Saiyan 4 Goku to beat Ape Baby, he'll have to be a lot stronger than Ape Goku.

What's "retard" is you trying to claim that Goku would gain all this power from trasnforming into an ape, yet Baby would not. The same transformation will yield the same increase for both fighters.

I want to see you come up with some reason why Goku gets stronger from the ape transformation while Baby-Vegeta doesn't. Go ahead; this should be hilarious.

**Majuub** · 04-27-2008

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Originally Posted by SRP76

Did you even watch the show?

Baby >>>>> Goku. Even as Super Saiyan 3.

That means Ape Baby >>>>>> Ape Goku. Period. So for Super Saiyan 4 Goku to beat Ape Baby, he'll have to be a lot stronger than Ape Goku.

What's "retard" is you trying to claim that Goku would gain all this power from trasnforming into an ape, yet Baby would not. The same transformation will yield the same increase for both fighters.

I want to see you come up with some reason why Goku gets stronger from the ape transformation while Baby-Vegeta doesn't. Go ahead; this should be hilarious.

Goku as SSJ3 couldn't keep his transformation, I don't think he was that much weaker than Bebi. Golden Oozaru Goku is stronger than Oozaru Bebi. There is nothing to suggest Goku was stronger as SSJ4 than he was as an Oozaru. Golden Oozaru Goku is stronger than Oozaru Bebi.

SRP76 · 04-27-2008

"Keeping the Super Saiyan 3 form" means nothing. When he was in it, Baby manhandled him with utter ease (before Baby even powered up to his final form). Super Saiyan 3 Goku's attacks didn't hurt him in the least, and Baby slapped him around with impunity.

And Goku "held the form" as long as he wanted to in the second encounter, and Baby stated that Goku was no stronger than he was the first time. He then beat Goku with no effort again.

All this while being in, at best, Super Saiyan 2 from (Vegeta cannot go Super Saiyan 3). Even being a transformation behind Goku, Baby-Vegeta is far more powerful. In the same form, the power gap would be even wider. Goku would have no chance.

Senzu_Bean · 04-27-2008

SRP76, SSj4 [natural] Goku wasn't stronger than Oozaru Bebi. Why do you say he is?

04-27-2008	#17 (permalink)
SSJ4 Vegito (18) Artificial Human Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 933 Rep Power: 3	Re: SSJ2 Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. SSJ4 Goku (Surpassed Limits) Actually Baby Vegeta was stronger than Goku on equal footing when they fought I think its basically like this: SSJ3 GT Goku: 100 Bebi-Vegeta Final Form: 120 Golden Oozaru Goku: 1,000 Golden Oozaru Bebi-Vegeta: 1,200 SSJ4 Goku: 1,200 Perhaps once Baby chooses a permanent host his power as well as the host's power is multiplied. So really that would explain how SSJ2 Vegeta is able to keep up with SSJ3 Goku and then with the 2 additional transformations he's far stronger then SSJ3 Goku. If they went through the same transformation (Golden Oozaru) then Bebi-Vegeta is ahead as shown through Goku's battles with him. So if Golden Oozaru= SSJ4 then SSJ4 Goku would have been annihilated. So therefore SSJ4 Goku>>>Golden Oozaru Goku.

04-27-2008	#18 (permalink)
Senzu_Bean (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,524 Rep Power: 2	Re: SSJ2 Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. SSJ4 Goku (Surpassed Limits) Sorry but I really don't understand where you provided a fact that Golden Oozaru is stronger than SSj4. Can you please enlighten me?

04-27-2008	#29 (permalink)
SRP76 (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,689 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 7	Re: SSJ2 Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. SSJ4 Goku (Surpassed Limits) "Keeping the Super Saiyan 3 form" means nothing. When he was in it, Baby manhandled him with utter ease (before Baby even powered up to his final form). Super Saiyan 3 Goku's attacks didn't hurt him in the least, and Baby slapped him around with impunity. And Goku "held the form" as long as he wanted to in the second encounter, and Baby stated that Goku was no stronger than he was the first time. He then beat Goku with no effort again. All this while being in, at best, Super Saiyan 2 from (Vegeta cannot go Super Saiyan 3). Even being a transformation behind Goku, Baby-Vegeta is far more powerful. In the same form, the power gap would be even wider. Goku would have no chance.

04-27-2008	#30 (permalink)
Senzu_Bean (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,524 Rep Power: 2	Re: SSJ2 Vegito (Buu Saga) vs. SSJ4 Goku (Surpassed Limits) SRP76, SSj4 [natural] Goku wasn't stronger than Oozaru Bebi. Why do you say he is?