Devilz

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Majuub

I'm not saying what they are, I just don't get why you say it's 2x when you have not the slighest clue to prove us why.

SSJ2 Goku and SSJ2 Majin Vegeta were equal, Chibi Buu was leaps and bounds ahead of SSJ2 Majin Vegeta and weaker than SSJ3 Goku. It just shows the multiplier isn't just 2x.

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apocalypse1280

This is simple. It was stated that General Rilldo was stronger then Buu. SSJ Kid Goku fought him evenly, making him stronger then SSJ3 Goku. This means SSJ3 Kid Goku is leaps and bounds stronger then SSJ3 Adult Goku. Baby Vegeta in his first form outclassed SSJ3 Kid Goku. Gohan Buu doesn't stand a chance.

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Devilz

Well unless you don't agree the multipliers decrease over time (in which case the discussion can end now) then I can bring them to however much I please.


Though I agree, you don't have to be 2x stronger than someone to make them your slave.

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Majuub

The multiplier probably decreased, but not so much. I don't see why it would go from 50x to 2x. It's beyond ridiculous to think it's that low.

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apocalypse1280

The only time I remember Goku going SSJ2 in GT was against Baby Vegeta in their second fight. He didn't fight as SSJ2, it was in between his SSJ and SSJ3 transformations. And it wasn't just electricity, he had the hair and the aura too.

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SRP76

Buu can't win. Baby will beat him with no effort.

SSJ4 Vegito

I don't think that the SSJ2 Multiplyer is skipped because, there are several Instances where there are possibilities of SSJ2:

1. During the fight with General Rilldo, Rilldo uses a Metal Ball against Goku but Goku powers up and until he powers down he has SSJ2-like hair, however he soon reverts to his Normal SSJ form after that.
2. When Baby Vegeta powers up into the gray-haired form for the first time, he powers up and then gains electricity (Right as the narrator is doing his little "Closing") and Baby Vegeta has electricity flowing from him which is making all those little spin wheels turn.
3. Right before the fight with Baby Vegeta (2nd time) Goku first goes Super Saiyan, then he gains SSJ2 hair and has lightning in his aura (he also has a huge aura then in SSJ), he then goes SSJ3.
4. When Vegeta is saved by Trunks from Omega Shenron, Vegeta (Already in SSJ) powers up and gains lightning.
5. Another possibility is when Vegeta gets up for the last time against Super 17. He powers up and then an instant later he lets out another scream which he probably duplicates his aura.
So GT definatly had SSJ2 they just didn't really use it too much.

remixremix

Baby would win since evryone in gt is like 50 times stronger then everyone from z

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Senzu_Bean

Well it is common knowledge in Dragon Ball community that DBGT actually show the SSj2 state and who try to deny this simple don't want to acknowledge that SSj2 form exists in DBGT.

Anyways about the thread Vegeta-Bebi owned SSj3 Goku which is leagues way from his SSj3 form at Majin Buu arc and his smaller body didn't weaken his SSj3 transformation just didn't allow him to keep in it for more than just a minute or so.

There is no doubts that Vegeta-Bebi would trashed Gohan Buu. Well for a better reference just look to Majin Buu in DBGT which is around SSj3 Goku's power in DBZ and by GT is useless against Vegeta-Bebi.

apocalypse1280

Thats what happens in Dragonball. Just like everyone in the Buu Saga "is like 50 times stronger" than everyone from the Android/Cell Saga

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scabab

Even if we didnt see SS2 doesnt mean it just disappears.

Goku said Rildo was stronger than Buu.

Goku went on to beat Rildo in Base Form, so Base Kid Goku (GT) > SS3 Goku (Z)

Then i have Kid Goku going SS1 3x stronger, then he goes 3x stronger again, making him as strong as Gohan Buu.

SS3 Kid Goku > Gohan Buu

Baby Vegeta > SS3 Kid Goku

apocalypse1280

Having said that, SSJ Kid Goku fought evenly with General Rilldo and actually lost that fight. When Goku did kill Rilldo, he did it with Trunks and Pan. They all blasted him at the same time while he was possessed by Baby. I would say SSJ Kid Goku is equal/stronger then SSJ3 Adult Goku, not Base Kid Goku.

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scabab

SS1 Goku lost to Rildo in his Metallic Form where hes much stronger than Kid Buu.

Goku was referring to Rildo 1st Form being as strong as Buu, then he beat him up before Rildo tranformed