Turles & Goku [Movie 3; No Kaioken] vs. Nail

Broly · 04-16-2008

Now, we know Turles is above 30,000, since he stated Goku's power was increasing above thirty thousand, and he was still dodging his attacks. So he may have been around 34,000 or so, with Goku being around the same level. Nail is 42,000. If Turles and Goku worked together, do you think they'd be able to bring Nail down?

Devilz · 04-16-2008

Nah, the gap is still too big. If they were both around 36,000 or so they might have a better chance.

Broly · 04-16-2008

If Turles was around 34,000, then to be outclassed, the opponent would have to be around Jeice's level. There's like a 1.24 difference between Turles an Nail. Alone, Turles, would be finished quite easily. But together, with Goku, I think it would be similar to Meta-Cooler's battle with SSj Goku and SSj Vegeta. They're not totally outclassed, but they can still pull it off. I'll give a more in-depth explanation later. I have to go right now. See ya.

king omega · 04-16-2008

The difference is 1.235, just beneath 1.33 in which Nail would be able to easily own them two.

Working together and formulating some good stategy they would be able to win but be very worn out.

Devilz · 04-16-2008

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Originally Posted by Broly

If Turles was around 34,000, then to be outclassed, the opponent would have to be around Jeice's level.

Not sure where you got that idea, but anyone higher than 38,000 will pretty much be guaranteed to beat him.

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But together, with Goku, I think it would be similar to Meta-Cooler's battle with SSj Goku and SSj Vegeta. They're not totally outclassed, but they can still pull it off.

IIRC they combined a chi blast that broke Cooler apart. Another one of those cheap movie tactics which would never happen canonically (but this is Movie section, so w/e). I guess if Turles and Goku did the same then they might pull it off, but I think Nail is the type to get right down to business - he'll finish them off quickly.

Evil Vegeta · 04-16-2008

I think Goku & Turles both stop around 35-36,000. Both would have no chance for victory, unless Nail get's stupid and let's them start combining attacks. I'm doubt that would even stop him, but you never know.

Broly · 04-16-2008

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Originally Posted by Devilz

Not sure where you got that idea, but anyone higher than 38,000 will pretty much be guaranteed to beat him.

IIRC they combined a chi blast that broke Cooler apart. Another one of those cheap movie tactics which would never happen canonically (but this is Movie section, so w/e). I guess if Turles and Goku did the same then they might pull it off, but I think Nail is the type to get right down to business - he'll finish them off quickly.

Got what idea? It's not hard to guess his power range. He stated that Goku was 30,000 and rising. It's my approximation that he's around 34,000, since he was still able to dodge all of Goku's punches [not the first one though]. And so, I also think Goku is around that power range as well, because they were very close.

Anyone who is higher than 38,000 will have a much easier time defeating Nail, but that's not to say that they would surely defeat him. All I'm suggesting is that Goku and Turles have a shot at beating Nail.

We don't really know how powerful Goku could've been either. It may be that he was around 35,000-36,000, which would certainly give him an easier fight in this case...but of course, nothing here is written in stone. You can make your own interpretation of it. It seems though that if they're not really outclassed by Nail, and just a step behind, and there are two of them, they could win if they combine their attacks as one, just like Goku and Piccolo did in Movie 1 against Garlic Jr., and just like SSj Vegeta and SSj Goku did in Movie 6. In both Movies, the fighters combined their attack as one in order to deal maximum damage. Garlic Jr. outclassed either Goku or Piccolo [which means at the very least there's most likely a 1.24x difference, if not 1.33x], but with their combined strength, they were able to topple him. Same thing with Movie 6. By attacking simultaneously, Goku and Vegeta beat Meta-Cooler, by attacking together physically and even together with ki assaults. In this case I think, two can make a difference here, if they combine their offensives as one, or in one accord.

Devilz · 04-16-2008

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Got what idea?

That you would have to be around Jeice's level to dominate Turles at 34,000.

I agree that they have a shot at winning if they combine chi blasts, the question is if they will get the opportunity to do so.

Broly · 04-17-2008

I'm not sure if this is correct, but I believe the Daizenshuu places Recoome, Jeice, and Burter at 45,000. 34,000 times 1.33 is 45,220. Yes, I think that is the level at which Turles has no chance whatsoever, but I believe Nail is close enough in power to where Turles and another partner of equal power could bring him down if they were willing to combine their full efforts as one.

deckzone3000 · 04-17-2008

If Goku and Turles are under 35,000, Nail would win. If they are more than 35,000 then they have a chance.

Broly · 04-18-2008

Well my estimate of Goku's and Turles' power level is just a rough guess. But I believe them to be around that level of power.

SSJ4 Vegito · 04-22-2008

Well considering how Goku's level was 30,000 and rising by the end of Turles and Goku's little skirmish I'd have to say Goku was around 35,000 but Turles was still able to dodge his attacks so I'd say he should be around 40,000 maybe. So I think that if they work together they MIGHT just win. Also I suppose as an Absolute Last resort Turles could transform into an Oozaru. However I do believe Turles & Goku could pull it off in a pretty close fight.

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Broly G-Villain Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Big Bad Walk. Posts: 7,414 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 23	Turles & Goku [Movie 3; No Kaioken] vs. Nail Now, we know Turles is above 30,000, since he stated Goku's power was increasing above thirty thousand, and he was still dodging his attacks. So he may have been around 34,000 or so, with Goku being around the same level. Nail is 42,000. If Turles and Goku worked together, do you think they'd be able to bring Nail down? __________________ $E:\Avatars\Broly_by_Hikas.jpg$ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb58XZk9cpY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUgQB...eature=related

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Broly G-Villain Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Big Bad Walk. Posts: 7,414 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 23	Re: Turles & Goku [Movie 3; No Kaioken] vs. Nail If Turles was around 34,000, then to be outclassed, the opponent would have to be around Jeice's level. There's like a 1.24 difference between Turles an Nail. Alone, Turles, would be finished quite easily. But together, with Goku, I think it would be similar to Meta-Cooler's battle with SSj Goku and SSj Vegeta. They're not totally outclassed, but they can still pull it off. I'll give a more in-depth explanation later. I have to go right now. See ya. __________________ $E:\Avatars\Broly_by_Hikas.jpg$ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb58XZk9cpY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUgQB...eature=related

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king omega Naruto Ranked (21) Sannin Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hell, exploring the layers. Posts: 1,639 Rep Power: 8	Re: Turles & Goku [Movie 3; No Kaioken] vs. Nail The difference is 1.235, just beneath 1.33 in which Nail would be able to easily own them two. Working together and formulating some good stategy they would be able to win but be very worn out. __________________ Yesterday seems as though it never existed Death greets me warm, now I will just say good-bye MetallicA Fade to Black

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Broly G-Villain Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Big Bad Walk. Posts: 7,414 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 23	Re: Turles & Goku [Movie 3; No Kaioken] vs. Nail I'm not sure if this is correct, but I believe the Daizenshuu places Recoome, Jeice, and Burter at 45,000. 34,000 times 1.33 is 45,220. Yes, I think that is the level at which Turles has no chance whatsoever, but I believe Nail is close enough in power to where Turles and another partner of equal power could bring him down if they were willing to combine their full efforts as one. __________________ $E:\Avatars\Broly_by_Hikas.jpg$ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb58XZk9cpY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUgQB...eature=related

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deckzone3000 (17) Super Saiyan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Posts: 654 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 0	Re: Turles & Goku [Movie 3; No Kaioken] vs. Nail If Goku and Turles are under 35,000, Nail would win. If they are more than 35,000 then they have a chance.

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Broly G-Villain Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Big Bad Walk. Posts: 7,414 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 23	Re: Turles & Goku [Movie 3; No Kaioken] vs. Nail Well my estimate of Goku's and Turles' power level is just a rough guess. But I believe them to be around that level of power. __________________ $E:\Avatars\Broly_by_Hikas.jpg$ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb58XZk9cpY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUgQB...eature=related

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SSJ4 Vegito (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,810 Rep Power: 52	Re: Turles & Goku [Movie 3; No Kaioken] vs. Nail Well considering how Goku's level was 30,000 and rising by the end of Turles and Goku's little skirmish I'd have to say Goku was around 35,000 but Turles was still able to dodge his attacks so I'd say he should be around 40,000 maybe. So I think that if they work together they MIGHT just win. Also I suppose as an Absolute Last resort Turles could transform into an Oozaru. However I do believe Turles & Goku could pull it off in a pretty close fight.