FPSS Goku vs 500 Meta Coolers - Page 6

BurningVegeta · 04-12-2008

Lmao glad you like! Really though it may not be 100% manga accurate but it proves that Super Saiyans no matter the number in front of it are still Super Saiyans.

TobiGoodBoy · 04-12-2008

Yeah but there are loads of different Super Saiyans now. Including the newest called "NSSJ".

BurningVegeta · 04-12-2008

Hmm I've haven't even read that topic yet. I'm saving it for my tea and biscuits lmao. Seriously though I read the opening post from Madness and it was okay from what I can remember. It means what its suppose to mean, Full Power does not mean Mastered when it comes down to the liberal view.

Remixxx · 04-12-2008

Nssj please im never gonna use that word .........Just regular, normal ,everyday Super Saiyans

Senzu_Bean · 04-12-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by burningvegeta

No I cannot. Still it still stands 100% effort equals full power. A mastered Super Saiyan will not automatically fight at full power!

A mastered Super Saiyan means you can achieve the full power of Super Saiyan form but doesn't mean you need to always fight at 100%. For example SSj form is stronger than base, right? Though you can make it weaker than your base by holding back.

Quote:

Originally Posted by burningvegeta

Yes I do, though you must understand Super Saiyan 1, 2, 3 and 4 are still Super Saiyans. Although they are on different levels i.e the 2, 3 and 4.

No! Super Saiyan 1 is different than Super Saiyan 2 just like SSj2 is different from SSj3 and the last from SSj4. Only SSj 2nd and 3rd Grades are Super Saiyans. Or after all the all SSj forms are Saiyans which is not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by burningvegeta

The Saiyan is the Saiyan person, then the Super only describes the transformations description.

Though you forgot the numbers which separate SSj from SSj2,3 and 4 as different transformations.

Quote:

Originally Posted by burningvegeta

I'm not disproving the source itself, I'm disproving the use of words, they mean what they are not supposed to mean. Son Goku told us what a Mastered Super Saiyan state will achieve in terms of power, he said nowhere that it automatically fights at the users (his)maximum. How can Full Power mean boost of power, easier Ki control, creation of another suitable base, reduced energy consumption and behavioral change? Senzu_Bean can you please explain how this can be? It's ridiculous.

First Goku never used the word Mastered Super Saiyan and second like I said in my first reply a MSSj provides the user to attain SSj full power.

**Vizard** · 04-13-2008

Honestly, it's like saying 500 Cell JRs vs SS2 Gohan.
Goku wins this one.

BurningVegeta · 04-13-2008

Oh Senzu I'm cutting the cheese and starting a new topic if needs be.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senzu_Bean

A mastered Super Saiyan means you can achieve the full power of Super Saiyan form but doesn't mean you need to always fight at 100%.

Back to my original point, whats the point of the name then. Putting something like Full Power onto Super Saiyan means no sense, as it does not grant full power.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senzu_Bean

For example SSj form is stronger than base, right? Though you can make it weaker than your base by holding back.

You can achieve the full powers of Super Saiyan when your a regular Super Saiyan. Fighting at your Full Power is no sweat.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senzu_Bean

No! Super Saiyan 1 is different than Super Saiyan 2 just like SSj2 is different from SSj3 and the last from SSj4. Only SSj 2nd and 3rd Grades are Super Saiyans. Or after all the all SSj forms are Saiyans which is not.
Though you forgot the numbers which separate SSj from SSj2,3 and 4 as different transformations.

The difference is Super Saiyan 1 to 4 are all different types of Super Saiyan. There all listed as Super Saiyan forms/states. No?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senzu_Bean

First Goku never used the word Mastered Super Saiyan and second like I said in my first reply a MSSj provides the user to attain SSj full power.

Yes he did not say: "Hey geis this is MY MASTA SUPA SAIYA" Though he did state the benefits, and full power were not one of them. Nowhere to my belief is it stated that it grants a Super Saiyan Full Power. "Hey CELL LOOK AT MA FULL POWA SUPA SAIYA" Yes you may say I'm reducing the argument to idiocy but, I'm just showing these terms of Full Power being used provide me with no idea why they have been used at all. Now to conclude this argument unless you have anything else to say. Your argument is saying whenever Super Saiyans (Mirai Trunks, Vegeta, Son Goku) fought before the Cell Arc, and Son Goku's technique of mastering the state they were not able to fight at there maximum and that is not true. Mastered Super Saiyan offers things that are not achievable in the regular Super Saiyan state. In a way it unlocks new powers, enabling one to increase performance. The word full and power mean:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Google definition of the word: Full

containing as much or as many as is possible or normal; "a full glass"; "a sky full of stars"; "a full life"; "the auditorium was full to ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Google definition of the word: Power

might: physical strength
ability: possession of the qualities (especially mental qualities) required to do something or get something done; "danger heightened his powers of discrimination"
supply the force or power for the functioning of; "The gasoline powers the engines"

The power is full, full is the power. If Super Saiyan was full as such it would not be able to decrease its power. Son Goku would remain at such a level of power whilst in the Super Saiyan state. In context of the use of words. Which I feel more strongly than ever has been chosen wrong. Having the word Boosted Super Saiyan would explain the Mastered state more than Full Power. Senzu after your next reply if this isn't dissolved or you happen not to agree I'll create a new topic.

Senzu_Bean · 04-13-2008

Sorry but I think I will make you create a new thread because I still don't agree. Though I don't see any reason to make a whole thread for this since I am not seeing anybody here that could make me change my mind since I am confident of my view about this:

How can you get achieve the full power/100% of Super Saiyan form? By mastering it. Simple as that!

Cyrax · 04-13-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gohan

Honestly, it's like saying 500 Cell JRs vs SS2 Gohan.
Goku wins this one.

SSJ2 Kid Gohan explode the enemies bodies. MSSJ Goku can't.
Cell jr can NOT increase treir power after regeneration.

Devilz · 04-14-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyrax

SSJ2 Kid Gohan explode the enemies bodies. MSSJ Goku can't.

Is this part of your fan-fiction logic? lol.

Senzu_Bean · 04-14-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyrax

SSJ2 Kid Gohan explode the enemies bodies. MSSJ Goku can't.
Cell jr can NOT increase treir power after regeneration.

Are you saying MSSj Goku can't explode an human with a punch?

Neither Meta Coola can.

**Vizard** · 04-14-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyrax

SSJ2 Kid Gohan explode the enemies bodies. MSSJ Goku can't.
Cell jr can NOT increase treir power after regeneration.

. . .

Are you serious?

And about the regeneration, it was NEVER stated Cell Jr.s cannon increase their power (nor it was stated that Meta-Cooler can; unless you go by a dub line)

Cyrax · 04-14-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senzu_Bean

Are you saying MSSj Goku can't explode an human with a punch?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gohan

. . .

Are you serious?

I tried to said that: MSSJ Goku and SSJ2 Gohan are completely different. And Meta-Cooler and Cell jr are completely different too.
Cell jr. can't regenerate or increase their power. So, they are not a problem to Gohan.
But Meta-Coolers can regenerate and increase their power. So, Goku would have Serious problems.

Evil Vegeta · 04-14-2008

Cooler was stated to increase his power on the original too, Ultimate Gohan.

I still don't think he could regenerate if he get's blasted by someone 8x more powerful then himself. He was around the same power as SSJ Goku & SSJ Vegeta, but nowhere near a MSSJ power.

Senzu_Bean · 04-14-2008

I really can't remember where Meta Coola stated it can increase its power after regeneration. Can anybody light up me?

04-12-2008	#76 (permalink)
BurningVegeta (25) Kami of Earth Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The 10th Heaven: Naherangi Posts: 4,297 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 112	Re: FPSS Goku vs 500 Meta Coolers Lmao glad you like! Really though it may not be 100% manga accurate but it proves that Super Saiyans no matter the number in front of it are still Super Saiyans. __________________

04-12-2008	#77 (permalink)
TobiGoodBoy (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Under your bed. Posts: 2,209 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 74	Re: FPSS Goku vs 500 Meta Coolers Yeah but there are loads of different Super Saiyans now. Including the newest called "NSSJ". __________________

04-12-2008	#78 (permalink)
BurningVegeta (25) Kami of Earth Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The 10th Heaven: Naherangi Posts: 4,297 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 112	Re: FPSS Goku vs 500 Meta Coolers Hmm I've haven't even read that topic yet. I'm saving it for my tea and biscuits lmao. Seriously though I read the opening post from Madness and it was okay from what I can remember. It means what its suppose to mean, Full Power does not mean Mastered when it comes down to the liberal view. __________________

04-12-2008	#79 (permalink)
Remixxx (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Planet Neptune Posts: 3,387 Rep Power: 66	Re: FPSS Goku vs 500 Meta Coolers Nssj please im never gonna use that word .........Just regular, normal ,everyday Super Saiyans __________________

04-13-2008	#81 (permalink)
Vizard /gc/ addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,194 Blog Entries: 6 Rep Power: 211	Re: FPSS Goku vs 500 Meta Coolers Honestly, it's like saying 500 Cell JRs vs SS2 Gohan. Goku wins this one. __________________ "Success is nothing more than taking advantage of an opportunity."

04-13-2008	#83 (permalink)
Senzu_Bean (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,891 Rep Power: 11	Re: FPSS Goku vs 500 Meta Coolers Sorry but I think I will make you create a new thread because I still don't agree. Though I don't see any reason to make a whole thread for this since I am not seeing anybody here that could make me change my mind since I am confident of my view about this: How can you get achieve the full power/100% of Super Saiyan form? By mastering it. Simple as that!

04-14-2008	#90 (permalink)
Senzu_Bean (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,891 Rep Power: 11	Re: FPSS Goku vs 500 Meta Coolers I really can't remember where Meta Coola stated it can increase its power after regeneration. Can anybody light up me?