Bojack's Crew vs LSSj Broly(Movie 8) - Page 5

Scorpion77 · 04-10-2008

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Originally Posted by Broly

Nope. Goku's Kamehameha multiplies his power level. When he fought Raditz, he charged up a Kamehameha to fire, and Raditz noticed his PL increase from 416 to 1030, which is a near 2.5 increase. So we know his level of power does flare up when he unleashes ki attacks like the Kamehameha. Then, later we see Piccolo charge his Special Beam Cannon. Again, Raditz notices the change in his power level. From 408, Piccolo's ki rises to 1330. That's over a 3 times increase in ki power. Raditz had a PL of 1,200. That's like a 1.1 difference, and it was just enough to kill him. Goku's charged ki in movie 8, at that point, in my opinion, increased his power level 3 times what it was. I think it could be a bit more because of his Super Saiyan increase though. Broly was not affected at all by Goku's charged Kamehameha Wave. So, that would mean that Broly is at least 3x the power of MSSj Goku, if all this were indeed in order.

Personal estimation:
MSSj Goku [Movie 8] - 12,000,000,000
LSSj Broly [Movie 8] - 40,000,000,000

i think broly ant stronger then a MSS, i also think goku and gohan were not MSS in movie 8, thats just what i think though

**Broly** · 04-10-2008

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Originally Posted by Scorpion77

i think broly ant stronger then a MSS, i also think goku and gohan were not MSS in movie 8, thats just what i think though

Is that not irrefutable evidence?

Cableguy15 · 04-11-2008

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Goku's charged ki in movie 8, at that point, in my opinion, increased his power level 3 times what it was. I think it could be a bit more because of his Super Saiyan increase though. Broly was not affected at all by Goku's charged Kamehameha Wave. So, that would mean that Broly is at least 3x the power of MSSj Goku, if all this were indeed in order.

As their powerlevels increase, multipliers decrease. That's the way it goes from the look of it. Unless you think the kamehameha is 3x stronger than Goku each time it's charged (Impossible by the way, just look at Goku vs Frieza to see what I mean.)

I don't think they're MSSJ in movie 8. Too many things point to them not being MSSJ.

With that said, Bojack's crew wins.

Evil Vegeta · 04-11-2008

I also think the Kame beam doesn't have a set increase to it. I think it varies throughout, depending on how long it's charged.

**Broly** · 04-11-2008

Well hey, it's just a thought. But could you tell me, where in the manga it lays down the law saying that their multipiers decrease for their charged ki specials when their power levels increase?

gkrt · 04-11-2008

Broly DIES!!!

Ames · 04-11-2008

Hi, this is my first post. Anyway, I put Broly around a mssj, at best. As I recall, Gohan-son was one of the weakest in movie 8, which contradicts the manga when he walked out of ROSAT as the strongest . Also, in movie 8, Piccoro was one of the strongest, which would place it closer to late Android saga. Even though Bejita and Toranksu seem like USSJ's, it doesn't makes sense to put them in that state, which leads me to think it was a TOEI error. Furthermore, MSSJ Kakarot (with power given to him from 3 half dead saiyans and a half dead namek) > Bojack (post transformation) > LSSJ Broly (movie 8) > Bojack's Henchmen...

Senzu_Bean · 04-11-2008

No way Movie 8 is pre-rosat. That is just playing fool. The movie is or mid-rosat or post-rosat (which is probably the case).

About your statement regarding Piccolo being one of the strongest well all Zet Senshi in that movie are probably the same with Goku and Gohan being the strongest, and Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo being around the same power. If you recall correctly Piccolo entered in the rosat which put him around Trunks and Vegeta's power.

remixremix · 04-11-2008

Wait so is movie 8 pre rosat,post rosat or what....it cant be mid rosat right?

Senzu_Bean · 04-11-2008

Did you read my post? The movie can't be pre-rosat just because Gohan is SSj and Vegeta and Trunks are SSj 2nd Grade. Well it can't even be mid-rosat since Piccolo already entered in rosat. So it is more clearly post-rosat.

remixremix · 04-11-2008

yeah okey it makes sense to me that it s after rosat....just to point out piccolo definitlly didnt reach the power of vegeta and trunks breolly handled him so much easier then the rest

Cableguy15 · 04-11-2008

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Well hey, it's just a thought. But could you tell me, where in the manga it lays down the law saying that their multipiers decrease from their charged ki specials when their power levels increase?

Stated... Nowhere. So that entitles you to believe whatever you think is right. But I look at it this way;

Goku on Earth vs Vegeta: Galickgun vs Kaioken x3 +Kamehameha

It's clearly charged up to a high level so...

Goku (Kaioken x3+Kamehameha)- 72,000
Vegeta (Galickgun)- 72,000

Sorry if that seems random, but do you see why I don't think it's likely the multiplier is 3x now? It'd put them well above the likes of Frieza's henchmen excluding Ginyu.

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Did you read my post? The movie can't be pre-rosat just because Gohan is SSj and Vegeta and Trunks are SSj 2nd Grade. Well it can't even be mid-rosat since Piccolo already entered in rosat. So it is more clearly post-rosat.

Movies don't follow the rules like that. Gohan has a tail in movie 3, yet it was perminantly removed by the time his Powerlevel was up to par with 10,000 (Namek) It's the same in movie 5, too.

Also, who says Piccolo ever went into Rosat by movie 8? Are you judging by how horrible of a beating he took? lol

Vegeta and Trunks shouldn't be anywhere near Goku in power if he were MSSJ, by the way.

Senzu_Bean · 04-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Cableguy15

Movies don't follow the rules like that. Gohan has a tail in movie 3, yet it was perminantly removed by the time his Powerlevel was up to par with 10,000 (Namek) It's the same in movie 5, too.

True! That is why Son Goku and Son Gohan aren't in their MSSj forms or Cell Games aren't heard in the movie.

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Originally Posted by Cableguy15

Also, who says Piccolo ever went into Rosat by movie 8? Are you judging by how horrible of a beating he took? lol

Nope but mainly because he hold himself just like all did. If he wasn't post-rosat he would be dead short time after the movie began.

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Originally Posted by Cableguy15

Vegeta and Trunks shouldn't be anywhere near Goku in power if he were MSSJ, by the way.

But they aren't! Broly was leagues way from all them that is why they all seem around the same power. Cell at full power would make all Zet Senshi at that time look around the same power except SSj2 Gohan of course.

remixremix · 04-11-2008

Picolo even thought he entered the time chamber he still was the weakest and brolly really did deal with him easilly

Senzu_Bean · 04-11-2008

He was still the weakest among Zet Senshi (except Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Krillin and Chaotzu) though he was far stronger than #17 after rosat.

The thing he would be dead if he was only at #17 power facing Broly.

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Broly Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Valley Posts: 6,980 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 12	Re: Bojack's Crew vs LSSj Broly(Movie 8) Well hey, it's just a thought. But could you tell me, where in the manga it lays down the law saying that their multipiers decrease for their charged ki specials when their power levels increase? __________________ $E:\Avatars\RockstarSponsor.jpg$ Numeros MFG -*Cinco-* Last edited by Broly; 04-13-2008 at 02:51 AM.

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gkrt (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: England Posts: 1,060 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 10	Re: Bojack's Crew vs LSSj Broly(Movie 8) Broly DIES!!! __________________

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Ames (13) Great Ape Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Madrid, Espana Posts: 321 Rep Power: 3	Re: Bojack's Crew vs LSSj Broly(Movie 8) Hi, this is my first post. Anyway, I put Broly around a mssj, at best. As I recall, Gohan-son was one of the weakest in movie 8, which contradicts the manga when he walked out of ROSAT as the strongest . Also, in movie 8, Piccoro was one of the strongest, which would place it closer to late Android saga. Even though Bejita and Toranksu seem like USSJ's, it doesn't makes sense to put them in that state, which leads me to think it was a TOEI error. Furthermore, MSSJ Kakarot (with power given to him from 3 half dead saiyans and a half dead namek) > Bojack (post transformation) > LSSJ Broly (movie 8) > Bojack's Henchmen...

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Senzu_Bean (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,524 Rep Power: 2	Re: Bojack's Crew vs LSSj Broly(Movie 8) No way Movie 8 is pre-rosat. That is just playing fool. The movie is or mid-rosat or post-rosat (which is probably the case). About your statement regarding Piccolo being one of the strongest well all Zet Senshi in that movie are probably the same with Goku and Gohan being the strongest, and Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo being around the same power. If you recall correctly Piccolo entered in the rosat which put him around Trunks and Vegeta's power.

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remixremix (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Planet Neptune Posts: 2,090 Rep Power: 4	Re: Bojack's Crew vs LSSj Broly(Movie 8) Wait so is movie 8 pre rosat,post rosat or what....it cant be mid rosat right? __________________

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Senzu_Bean (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,524 Rep Power: 2	Re: Bojack's Crew vs LSSj Broly(Movie 8) Did you read my post? The movie can't be pre-rosat just because Gohan is SSj and Vegeta and Trunks are SSj 2nd Grade. Well it can't even be mid-rosat since Piccolo already entered in rosat. So it is more clearly post-rosat.

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remixremix (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Planet Neptune Posts: 2,090 Rep Power: 4	Re: Bojack's Crew vs LSSj Broly(Movie 8) yeah okey it makes sense to me that it s after rosat....just to point out piccolo definitlly didnt reach the power of vegeta and trunks breolly handled him so much easier then the rest __________________

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remixremix (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Planet Neptune Posts: 2,090 Rep Power: 4	Re: Bojack's Crew vs LSSj Broly(Movie 8) Picolo even thought he entered the time chamber he still was the weakest and brolly really did deal with him easilly __________________

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Senzu_Bean (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,524 Rep Power: 2	Re: Bojack's Crew vs LSSj Broly(Movie 8) He was still the weakest among Zet Senshi (except Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Krillin and Chaotzu) though he was far stronger than #17 after rosat. The thing he would be dead if he was only at #17 power facing Broly.