Vegito vs. Super Gogeta - Page 9

Madness · 05-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

Well, if Vegeto isn't superior to Gogeta because of the time limit, then why is he?

That's what I mean. Vegetto would be better because of the time limit running out. But if we remove the time limit... I'd say they were even. Dead even. It'd be anyones guess.

**Majuub** · 05-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

That's what I mean. Vegetto would be better because of the time limit running out. But if we remove the time limit... I'd say they were even. Dead even. It'd be anyones guess.

That was exactly what I was trying to prove wrong. We know for fact Vegeto and Gogeta are above anyone else in terms of power. If they were both to fight Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed) they would finish him in about 10 seconds. Now, he was the strongest ennemy in DBZ so there is no need to say someone can match them and make them fight for 30 minutes. If they both can finish him in 10 seconds, then what makes Vegeto superior if they can pretty much thrash anyone in a second or so?

Madness · 05-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

That was exactly what I was trying to prove wrong. We know for fact Vegeto and Gogeta are above anyone else in terms of power. If they were both to fight Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed) they would finish him in about 10 seconds. Now, he was the strongest ennemy in DBZ so there is no need to say someone can match them and make them fight for 30 minutes. If they both can finish him in 10 seconds, then what makes Vegeto superior if they can pretty much thrash anyone in a second or so?

Errr I meant if they were fighting eachother. They obviously wouldn't finish eachother off in 10 seconds :/

**Majuub** · 05-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

Errr I meant if they were fighting eachother. They obviously wouldn't finish eachother off in 10 seconds :/

Yeah, the problem there is, Vegeto can't have a direct advantage on Gogeta because he can't fight him. The advantage must be something Vegeto can do to ennemy and Gogeta can't do the same.

Evil Vegeta · 05-02-2008

Maybe it's awareness or somethin? It could be anything that doesn't relate to power alone.

Madness · 05-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

Yeah, the problem there is, Vegeto can't have a direct advantage on Gogeta because he can't fight him. The advantage must be something Vegeto can do to ennemy and Gogeta can't do the same.

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*Looks at Majuub's post*

Sorry mate, looks like the topic disagrees. Vegetto can fight Gogeta. In a hypothetical sense of course.

**Majuub** · 05-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

*Looks at topic title*

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Sorry mate, looks like the topic disagrees. Vegetto can fight Gogeta. In a hypothetical sense of course.

No, I mean manga wise. If they meant the potara fusion of Goku is better than their dance, it doesn't mean Vegeto has an advantage over Gogeta because they can't fight each other. It means Vegeto has an advantage that Gogeta hasn't over opponents.

Madness · 05-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

No, I mean manga wise. If they meant the potara fusion of Goku is better than their dance, it doesn't mean Vegeto has an advantage over Gogeta because they can't fight each other. It means Vegeto has an advantage that Gogeta hasn't over opponents.

Yes; he lasts longer. He doesn't have to check his watch.

**Majuub** · 05-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

Yes; he lasts longer. He doesn't have to check his watch.

I just told you why lasting longer is not necessarly an advantage =/

In Vegeto's situation it wasn't even needed.

Madness · 05-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

I just told you why lasting longer is not necessarly an advantage =/

In Vegeto's situation it wasn't even needed.

It's still an advantage, even if it isn't much of one. It might not be an issue, but it's still there and would be the deciding fact in a battle between the two.

**Majuub** · 05-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

It's still an advantage, even if it isn't much of one. It might not be an issue, but it's still there and would be the deciding fact in a battle between the two.

The ones who said it was an advantage didn't mean that because they were predicting a battle between the two. When it was stated the potaras are works better, they didn't say they work better in a sens Vegeto would have an advantage if he fought Gogeta, they said that in a sens Vegeto would have an advantage Gogeta wouldn't have over ennemies.

Evil Vegeta · 05-03-2008

The time limit has to be factored in, though. If they were fighting someone on an equal level, like Gotenks was doing with Super Buu, then they would need to have that on to their advantage. If not, it could end before they would finish the battle. Doesn't SSJ waste time in the fusion as well?

**Majuub** · 05-03-2008

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The time limit has to be factored in, though. If they were fighting someone on an equal level, like Gotenks was doing with Super Buu, then they would need to have that on to their advantage. If not, it could end before they would finish the battle. Doesn't SSJ waste time in the fusion as well?

No, SSJ doesn't waste time in the fusion.

Also, no they weren't going to fight someone on equal level with Vegeto. Wasn't the old Kaioshin the one who said the potaras would work better? If he thought Vegeto would be in Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed) league, then why wasn't he suprised at the fact Vegeto was owning him. He was seeing it coming, he knew Vegeto would destroy him, so time isn't an advantage in that situation since Vegeto could have finished him off in 10 seconds why saying it's better because it lasts forever when Vegeto doesn't need that much time to finish him. It's like saying, I give you an advantage at that exam, you should be able to finish it in 10 minutes but I'll let you forever to do it. Seriously, where is the advantage?

Evil Vegeta · 05-03-2008

If it's established that way, what other advantages would it have? If it was simply more powerful, he would've just said so.

**Majuub** · 05-03-2008

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If it's established that way, what other advantages would it have? If it was simply more powerful, he would've just said so.

I don't buy the ''Vegeto is 5x stronger than Gogeta'' I put him about 1.5x stronger than him, higher than that is a bit stretched. Well, maybe it was because it created a more complete warrior who perfectly have both personalties and also, they don't have to lower their power in order for the fusion to work.

Edit: Hell no, 1,5x is way too much, he's just slightly stronger, just strong enough to have an advantage. Maybe 1,1x