Vegito vs. Super Gogeta - Page 8

Madness · 05-02-2008

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That's why the time limit isn't an advantage. If Gotenks fights someone who is stronger than him, staying Gotenks forever won't help him beat his opponent, he'll just get his ass kicked for longer. Time limit can be an advantage in some situations, but not in all situation. You can't say the potaras are better because they are better in some situations. Of they are better they should be more efficient in every situation, time isn't a factor that meets these conditions. That's why I say the time limit isn't something that makes the potara fusion better.

So, if SSJ3 Gotenks had been permanent his fight against Super Buu wouldn't have been any different?

What about if SSJ had a time limit, would that be a disadvantage?

But the thing is, it didn't have to be an advantage, it just had to be better, which it was.

**Majuub** · 05-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

So, if SSJ3 Gotenks had been permanent his fight against Super Buu wouldn't have been any different?

What about if SSJ had a time limit, would that be a disadvantage?

But the thing is, it didn't have to be an advantage, it just had to be better, which it was.

If it's better, obviously it means it's an advantage. My point here isn't the fact time limit can't be an advantage, you just can't label that as an advantage because in some cases, it just won't make any difference. How can you say it's clear cut better when in some situations it doesn't change anything? If time limit was the advantage they were refering to, then they should have said Vegeto is better than Gogeta in certain aspects in certain situations. Imagine they fight someone stronger than them, what will be the difference if there is a time limit for Gogeta and not for Vegeto. Gogeta will get his ass kicked for 30 minutes while Vegeto will get his ass kicked until he dies.

Edit: It is better but surely not because of the fact it lasts forever.

Madness · 05-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

If it's better, obviously it means it's an advantage. My point here isn't the fact time limit can't be an advantage, you just can't label that as an advantage because in some cases, it just won't make any difference. How can you say it's clear cut better when in some situations it doesn't change anything? If time limit was the advantage they were refering to, then they should have said Vegeto is better than Gogeta in certain aspects in certain situations. Imagine they fight someone stronger than them, what will be the difference if there is a time limit for Gogeta and not for Vegeto. Gogeta will get his ass kicked for 30 minutes while Vegeto will get his ass kicked until he dies.

Edit: It is better but surely not because of the fact it lasts forever.

In a long, even fight, which there are plenty of In Dragon Ball, a permanent fusion would be very beneficial.

**Majuub** · 05-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

In a long, even fight, which there are plenty of In Dragon Ball, a permanent fusion would be very beneficial.

Honestly, given the power of all the fusion we've seen, they were strong enough to finish their ennemies in about 10-15 minutes. Also, the fact fusion characters are cocky and like to fool around pretty much kills the fact time is an advantage since they won't use it.

Madness · 05-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

Honestly, given the power of all the fusion we've seen, they were strong enough to finish their ennemies in about 10-15 minutes. Also, the fact fusion characters are cocky and like to fool around pretty much kills the fact time is an advantage since they won't use it.

But that doesn't mean that they will always be more powerful.

**Majuub** · 05-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

But that doesn't mean that they will always be more powerful.

Let's just give a situation to really show you what I mean. Potara fusion is better because there is no time limit correct?

Vegeto fights someone 1,33x stronger than him, he gets beaten badly in 45 minutes.

Gogeta fights someone 1,33x stronger than him, he gets beaten badly for 30 minutes, then the fusion's off.

Honestly, I don't see the difference between the two fusions in that situation. Vegeto has no advantage.

Now, let's say, Gogeta has a power level of 100 and he fights someone with a power level of 130, Gogeta gets owned, not because of the time limit but because he isn't strong enough.

Vegeto fights the same opponent but Vegeto has a power of 150, he has some trouble but he finishes the fight in 20 minutes.

Now you see, time limit didn't make any difference in all these cases.

Madness · 05-02-2008

Mate, you're not looking at my example.

Look at this example:

Gotenks is facing off against an opponent of equal power level. After 30 minutes of well-fought even battle, his fusion wears off. Goten and Trunks get WTFPWNED.

Vegetto is in the same situation and he keeps going and possibly wins.

Advantage? Yes.

**Majuub** · 05-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

Mate, you're not looking at my example.

Look at this example:

Gotenks is facing off against an opponent of equal power level. After 30 minutes of well-fought even battle, his fusion wears off. Goten and Trunks get WTFPWNED.

Vegetto is in the same situation and he keeps going and possibly wins.

Advantage? Yes.

Yes, in that case it's an advantage. But not in every case. Time limit is an advantage only in that situation and only in that situation. If the opponent is about equal then yes, it's a clear advantage, but that's it. Honestly, we've seen Vegeto once, would you say he beat up Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed) because of the fact he was meant to last forever? If you're saying Vegeto is better it means he should have the edge in every given situations, with time limit it isn't the case. That doesn't make him better or more efficient, that makes him lasts for longer.

Madness · 05-02-2008

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Yes, in that case it's an advantage. But not in every case. Time limit is an advantage only in that situation and only in that situation. If the opponent is about equal then yes, it's a clear advantage, but that's it. Honestly, we've seen Vegeto once, would you say he beat up Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed) because of the fact he was meant to last forever? If you're saying Vegeto is better it means he should have the edge in every given situations, with time limit it isn't the case. That doesn't make him better or more efficient, that makes him lasts for longer.

Not all advantages work with all opponents.

**Majuub** · 05-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

Not all advantages work with all opponents.

How can you call it an advantage then? An advantage is something that is suppose to give you the edge over someone else in any given situations. Time limit isn't like that. If Vegeto was a little stronger then that would be an advantage.

Madness · 05-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

How can you call it an advantage then? An advantage is something that is suppose to give you the edge over someone else in any given situations. Time limit isn't like that. If Vegeto was a little stronger then that would be an advantage.

Not really, an advantage is relative to your opponent.

**Majuub** · 05-02-2008

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Not really, an advantage is relative to your opponent.

Exactly, Vegeto's advantage is relative to Gogeta. I proved Vegeto wouldn't be superior to Gogeta only because he lasts forever, in some situations it would make no difference. Let's suppose I say Vegeto is water and is superior to Gogeta because Gogeta is fire, then in any given situations, Vegeto will always have an advantage over Gogeta because he is his weakness. Now, let's suppose Vegeto fights Shin Buu who represents the earth, if Gogeta fought the earth, would it make any difference? No it wouldn't. Water is superior to fire in some situations but not in all situations, therefore, you can't say water is superior to fire. You get what I mean? If lasting forever is what makes Vegeto superior, then in every situations it should give him the edge over Gogeta, but it isn't the case.

Madness · 05-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

Exactly, Vegeto's advantage is relative to Gogeta. I proved Vegeto wouldn't be superior to Gogeta only because he lasts forever, in some situations it would make no difference. Let's suppose I say Vegeto is water and is superior to Gogeta because Gogeta is fire, then in any given situations, Vegeto will always have an advantage over Gogeta because he is his weakness. Now, let's suppose Vegeto fights Shin Buu who represents the earth, if Gogeta fought the earth, would it make any difference? No it wouldn't. Water is superior to fire in some situations but not in all situations, therefore, you can't say water is superior to fire. You get what I mean? If lasting forever is what makes Vegeto superior, then in every situations it should give him the edge over Gogeta, but it isn't the case.

Alright, I think I get you.

Anyway, in this battle, if it was SSJ Vegetto vs. SSJ Gogeta it would go down to the time limit. It would be an even battle.

**Majuub** · 05-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

Alright, I think I get you.

Anyway, in this battle, if it was SSJ Vegetto vs. SSJ Gogeta it would go down to the time limit. It would be an even battle.

Well, if Vegeto isn't superior to Gogeta because of the time limit, then why is he?

deckzone3000 · 05-02-2008

This isn't Pokemon, there aren't type advantages.

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Madness Commander Madness (29) King of Soul Society Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Seeing how long I can make this entry, simply for lol reasons. Maybe I can make it stretch to the o- Posts: 8,814 Blog Entries: 9 Rep Power: 127	Re: Vegito vs. Super Gogeta Mate, you're not looking at my example. Look at this example: Gotenks is facing off against an opponent of equal power level. After 30 minutes of well-fought even battle, his fusion wears off. Goten and Trunks get WTFPWNED. Vegetto is in the same situation and he keeps going and possibly wins. Advantage? Yes. __________________

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deckzone3000 (17) Super Saiyan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Posts: 644 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 3	Re: Vegito vs. Super Gogeta This isn't Pokemon, there aren't type advantages.