Devilz

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Retouch Venom

SSJ Gogeta.
...The first time i've disagreed with Madness.

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vicdmx

Base Vegito>>>>SSJ Gogeta.

Madness

I've seen nothing that makes the Potara stronger than the dance. Just more effective.

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Majuub

What means more effective?

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Madness

Could mean more power efficient, longer or even stronger.

My point is, that statement could be read so many ways and most people assumed it means strength.

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Majuub

Longer doesn't necessarly makes it better. If Vegeto is weaker than Shin Buu but lasts longer, does that make him more effecient than Gogeta? Not at all. Longevity is context sensitive, it doesn't make it better in every situations.

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Madness

But the point still stands. More effective does not neccesarily mean stronger.

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Majuub

Well, the point would be to find something that makes Vegeto more efficient in any given context.

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Evil Vegeta

Many like to believe the potara is like 2-3x more powerful then basic fusion, and nothin in the manga even hints at such thing. That rivalry boost isn't 100% either, as some things can be taken out of context. Shin says it "works better", not that it's more powerful. Work better can equal to no time limit, or somethin else.

No one know's for sure. What we do know, is that the potara isn't more powerful by like 2-3x. Maybe a bit stronger, and that's about it.

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Majuub

Honestly, I think they're almost equal, I just give the edge to Vegeto. Also, the rivarly boost is from Goku and Vegeta, not the potaras so it would still work when fused as Gogeta because he's made from the same two beings. Evil Vegeta, I think the fact the fusion lasts forever isn't necessarly an advantage at all. Depending on the context it can be an advantage but in some other contexts it can be a disadvantage.

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Madness

Not having to finish the fight in 30 minutes is what I'd call an advantage. They work better, that's it. No time limit IMO.

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Majuub

With all we've seen, every fusion could finish off their opponents under 30 minutes.

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Madness

I'm missing your point here... if by that you mean they were extremely powerful than yes, but that was their opponents. Had Gotenks faced off against Buuhan he'd have been stomped. I fail to see how your point is relevant.

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Majuub

That's why the time limit isn't an advantage. If Gotenks fights someone who is stronger than him, staying Gotenks forever won't help him beat his opponent, he'll just get his ass kicked for longer. Time limit can be an advantage in some situations, but not in all situation. You can't say the potaras are better because they are better in some situations. Of they are better they should be more efficient in every situation, time isn't a factor that meets these conditions. That's why I say the time limit isn't something that makes the potara fusion better.

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