Majuub

I just read, he said he could now fight with Goku. It still means he thought he was stronger than Goten and Trunks unfused since if he planned to fight with Goku it means he would have to be at least in the league of SSJ3 Goku to help and SSJ Gotenks is about in the same league as SSJ3 Goku.

All we know is, he feels strong enough to help while even SSJ Gotenks isn't enough to ''help'' against Shin Buu.

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Senzu_Bean

He feels as strong as Gotenks but that doesn't mean he was at Gotenks level since his abilities to tell characters power levels aren't the best.

That could be what Elder Kai was referring to when he said they aren't that powerful not that Kibitoshin wouldn't be a valuable help.

NarutoFan

Will edit.

Kai Hiwatari

I doubt base Vegetto could beat a SSJ Gogeta.

I also think the Potara fusion is better than the Fusion Dance, but not by much.

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NarutoFan

Where precisely are you getting this information from? In the manga, it is only written the Potara fusion works better than the fusion dance, which referencing how the fusions dance is restricted because it holds a time limit, whereas the potara earrings do not, and you have execute that ridiculous dance perfectly. This is why the way the Porata fusion works is superior to the fusion dance, just as the Elder Kai stated.

He's aware of Gotenks' power, yes, but he has never executed the fusion dance, so it's ridiculous how this implies he knows of its increase/multiplier. You've made a list of instants Shin has overrated and mistaken other's power, this is just another.

Yes, the potara fusion does hold amazing power, but it is equal to the fusion dance. I already tackled the potara earrings' power: Kibitoshin states "He's incredible! Boo is completely helpless! I didn't know the Potara was so powerful", but Elder Kai quickly calls him a dolt, and state they (Goku & Vegeta) have the power. Let's not forget this is after he experiences the potara fusion, thinking he can assist Goku in the fight, but is later told he is still no match for Boo - This is why he couldn't believe the potara fusion was so powerful, because Buu was completely helpless.

EDIT: Shit, I was suppose to edit this into the other post, oh well...

The Green Dragon

My reason as to why Vegeto is stronger than Gogeta is based on a "fan opinion" that the Kaioshins are far more sophisticated and more powerful than the Metamorse, and it may show in the fusion technique.

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Majuub

[quote=NarutoFan;945936] ''It works better'' refers to the results, not the method, thus, the fact you perform the dance has nothing to do with the fact the potaras are superior. The dance is the method, not the result. The time limit isn't an advantage, if using the potaras you're still weaker than Buu but now there is no time limit, is it really an advantage? No. There is also the fact the warriors are stuck together foreger, this isn't an advantage at all, in some context, it's an advantage, in others, it isn't. It's 50-50, depending which way you look at this, if it's 50-50 it doesn't make it better. The dance and the time limit aren't why the potara fusion is better.

It doesn't matter, Kibitoshin can't think, he's a fictionnal character. If a statement is made and it isn't proven wrong it means the statement is true, no matter if the character is an idiot or not. The statements are made by the author, if he wants to make it false, he'll just say it. Shin was always mistaken with the power of everyone, but he wasn't mistaken when he thought the potaras held amazing power since he was never corrected.

He called him a dolt because Kibitoshin was impressed by the fact Vegeto was so strong and and he shouldn't have been because he is the fusion of two of the strongest warriors in the universe. It doesn't mean the potaras aren't responsible of making Vegeto even stronger. He never said: Idiot, he isn't strong because of the potaras. He just called him an idiot because it wasn't impressive for him Vegeto was so strong. In no way it means Vegeto isn't stronger because of the potaras.

The Green Dragon, that's still a solid argument that was never countered. The Metamorese were stated to be wimps and yet with the fusion they became powerful, but still they were wimps. The Kaioshins are gods and one of them was even stronger than SSJ3 Goku and the weakest can mop the floor with Frieza who is arguably much much stronger than the metamorese. A fusion made by gods or one made by wimps, the answer is obvious.

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remixremix

To the topic there s really just no way to know

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gad_is_here

SS multiplier at the fusion arc is around 10x
Fusion dance multiplier is 80x(this is debatable and is only my opinion)

Vegeta-15
Goku-15(suppressed)
Gogeta-2400
Super Gogeta-24,000

Potora multiplier is around 1200x in my opinion
Vegeta-15
Goku-18
Vegeto-39600

So Vegeto wins

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Chariking

1200 times! Thats a bit too much....

deckzone3000

I'd pick base Vegito.

I have SSJ Gogeta around SSJ3 Gotenks. And chances are, base Vegito is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks.

gad_is_here

Base Vegeto is weaker than Mystic Gohan by a little amount. And that's way ahead of SSJ3 Gotenks

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SSJ4 Goku

Um Vegito is definitely stronger than Mystic gohan ezily, and in case u didn't realize this, Elder Kai stated that (and i don't have the exact quote) Potara fusion was the "perfect" fusion and it was much better than the Metamorese fusion

SSJ4 Vegito

I'd pick SSJ Gogeta because, I don't believe the Potara is Alot better in terms of Sheer power although in Power I believe the difference is considerable I don't think it would be enough to cover a full Super Saiyan Transformation. So I'll go with Gogeta.

gad_is_here

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