Majuub

He said Goku and Vegeta were rivals and it was the reason their fusion created the most powerful warrior alive.

That same elder Kai stated the potara fusion was superior to the dance and it was also stated the potara fusionworkseven better. If the potara fusion is ''superior'' it just means it creates a superior warrior. In DBZ contest, a superior fighter is a stronger fighter. If it's said Gotenks is superior to Goku, it just means he is stronger. The dance and the potara fusion aren't equal, if so, there would be absolutely no point in creating to methods that give the exact same results.

Kibitoshin thought at first he was strong enough to take on Buu but he was later corrected. That just adds something else to my argument. He already saw the fusion dance and he knew what it was capable of, if he feels he's now so strong especially because he wears the potaras it's because they have an additional power up. It was also stated it was the secret of the Kaioshins, the gods of the universe. A method made by gods or a dance made by wimps, choose your side.

Edit: He felt the potaras were really powerful even before Vegeto was created. Vegeto just made his feelings clear.

Honestly, I like Vegeto just as much I like Gogeta, Vegeto is just stronger, I don't know how much but it was stated he was superior.

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Senzu_Bean

But Kibitoshin never fused by dance fusion. How would he know how powerful he would be in that kind of fusion?

Super Cool

He saw what Gotenks was capable of.

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Majuub

Crap SuperCool, you beat me to it.

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Senzu_Bean

Even with all this I am not yet convinced.

Have you sure this sentences aren't crap dub?

NarutoFan

He said "And it doesn't hurt that they live to outdo each other", it is not the sole reason why their fusion was so powerful.

We must be reading two different manga, because Elder Kai never says that.

Which is more than likely referencing how the fusions dance is restricted because it holds a time limit and you have to perfectly execute the fusion dance.

This makes little to no sense. Kibitoshin has never experienced the fusion dance, so how exactly is he aware of the potara fusion having an additional power up? If he's fully aware of Gotenks' capabilities, why would he believe he was strong enough to take on Buu? Your post is basically saying Kibitoshin > SSJ3 Gotenks since that's his only comparison, and he believed he could fight Buu (Elder Kai states he was nothing to begin with).

Can Surpreme Kai's chi sensing ability be trusted? He thought he could fight Buu, Vegeta would get owned by Pui Pui, etc.

Evil Vegeta

I'm also starting to disregard that rivalry thing, because it isn't set in stone that it makes the merge that much more powerful then a usual one. All the old Shin says, is that the potara works better then the basic fusion.

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Astner

Many people beleives that the earth is about six thousand years old ... That doesn't make it a fact.

If Ssj3 Gotenkusu would overpower chibi Boo. And Kabitoshin had to teleport to Namek not to get in the way of Gokuu and Bejiita fighting boo that would mean.
Ssj3 Gotenkusu > Chibi Boo = Ssj3 Goku > Ssj2 Bejiita > Kabitoshin

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Majuub

''And the fact they live to outdo each other doesn't hurt''. That sentence just means it's even better if they are rivals. The reason Vegeto is so powerful is because he is the fusion of two of the strongest fighters in the universe.

In the manga it's written the potaras are even better, better is a synonym to superior.

They said the potara fusion is even better. They are refering to the results, not the method of fusion. If I say, my computer is even better than yours, will I be refering to the things my computer is capable of or the way I assembled it?

He was fully aware of the fusion dance power. Shin Buu was to him even stronger than Chibi Buu, he saw SSJ3 Gotenks putting a good match. After that point, never ever did he doubt of the saiyan's power. When he was fused, he was just overconfident because it was all new to him and he flet power like he never felt before. He was quickly corrected because, if he took a second or two to review his power, he would have seen he wouldn't stand the ghost of a chance against Buu.

No, we can't trust supreme Kai ki's sensing. The only thing there is: First he tought Dabura was stronger than the saiyans. It was later proven Dabura wasn't.

He also thought Pui Pui was in the same league or ahead of the saiyans. It was later proven Pui Pui wasn't.

He thought he was strong enough to take on Buu. It was later proven he wasn't.

He thinks the potaras have an amazing power. It was never proven wrong.

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SRP76

How does "he thinks he can take on Buu even after seeing the dance in action" mean anything? He saw Gotenks beat Buu to a pulp. Why wouldn't he think he could take on Buu?

He certainly didn't see "weak" written all over Gotenks.

Majuub

In fact, he thinks he can take on Shin Buu because he now feels so strong because of the potaras. It wouldn't make sense for him to feel so strong if the potaras weren't stronger than the dance since, Kibito and Kaioshin are both weaker than Goten or Trunks. If the potara was as strong as the dance in no way could he have felt stronger than Gotenks.

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Evil Vegeta

That could've just been his reaction to how powerful they were after fusing. The old Shin had told him he was never anything to begin with, anyway.

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Majuub

That's exactly what I'm implying. If the potaras were as strong as the dance, then Kibitoshin couldn't have felt almost as strong as Shin Buu, it would mean individually, they think they are stronger than Goten and Trunks.

Basic math.

Kaioshin= 10

Kibito= 5

Kibitoshin= 15 (Thinks he is 210)

Goten= 100

Trunks= 110

Gotenks= 210

If he thinks he's as strong as Gotenks without thinking the potaras being superior to the dance it means they think they are stronger than unfused Goten and Trunks while they are also unfused.

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SRP76

Nobody ever said he felt as strong as Super Buu. He said that he can fight now. He did not say that he could take on Buu all by himself. He felt that he could fight along with Goku and Gohan against him now.

Not that he knew how strong Buu was, to begin with. He constantly misjudged, over and over again.

All he knew was that he suddenly became manyfold more powerful, and that it should be able to make a difference against Buu. And, as it turns out, he was wrong anyway.

Evil Vegeta

Not to mention, Kibitoshin immediately left when they were about to fight Kid Buu, which is all we need to know about his power. He would've made no difference.

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