stefzed54

lol

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Chariking

Just mentioning that Kid Buu is so weak that SSJ3 Goku can beat him. Quite easily. It's the regeneration technique by which he's dangerous

Goku Super Saiyan 4

Listen up 'Majuub', here are the pictures of SUPER VEGETTO using FINAL KAMEHAMEHA against SUPER BUU (GOHAN ABSORBED) and SUPER GOGETA using a SOUL PUNISHER against SUPER JANEMBA (i got these pictures from dragonball.wikia.com) Here are the links to the pictures:

Super Vegetto's Final Kamehameha:
Image:Final Kamehameha.PNG - Dragon Ball

Super Gogeta's Soul Punisher:
Image:Soul Punisher.jpg - Dragon Ball

Oh and one more thing. Do you have any proof that Super Janemba is weaker than Super Buu (Gohan Absorbed)? The reason Goku 'toys' with Super Janemba in Movie 12 is because he had gotten a bit stronger in his fight against Super Buu (Gohan Absorbed). And the reason he wasn't 'toying' with Super Buu (Gohan Absorbed) was because before Super Buu even existed, Goku had worn himself out using a Super Saiyan 3 against Majin Buu (fat), and Pure Evil Buu. The same goes to Vegeta. Then, Goku and Vegeta were even more exhausted after their fight against Super Buu, Super Buu (Piccolo absorbed), and Super Buu (Gotenks Absorbed). When Super Buu (Gohan Absorbed) did come, he was quite powerful, but the reason he had most of the upperhand in battle was because Goku and Vegeta were worn out from their matches against, Majin Buu, Evil Buu, Super Buu (Piccolo Absorbed), and Super Buu (Gotenks Absorbed).

Super Buu (Gohan Absorbed) came in the Manga, thats the reason Akira T oriyama was able to show us his power level. But there are no power levels for characters in the movies, now are they? How can you tell the power level of Super Gogeta and Super Janemba? Oh, and the Halo does make a person weaker. In the fight against Majin Vegeta, Goku Super Saiyan 2 was losing due to the Halo he had on. And if Goku was an alive Super Saiyan 3 he could've easily beaten Majin Buu (fat) - if not easily, then atleast he would've beaten him. But the Goku Super Saiyan 3 did not beat Majin Buu because he was weaker with his Halo. He was a dead being! Dead creatures are weaker than their alive self!

P.S. Here are some 'other', minor reasons:
In the game, Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3, if you win a battle as Super Gogeta, he sometimes says at the end of the battle, "This is the ULTIMATE fusion!"

And, in the game, Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3, before starting the level in which we fight Super Janemba, the narrator states, "Goku and Vegeta fuse to create the STRONGEST fusion ever!"

Jay

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lol I see what you mean Green Dragon. But come on! Can't we have atleast a little bit of fun while we're at it?

Majuub

First of all the attack of Vegeto is filler, we're talking about canon Vegeto, he never used this attack against Shin Buu Gohan absorbed in the manga, therefore that doesn't count for something.

Second, there is nothing to suggest the soul punisher is Gogeta's most powerful attack, it's the only personal move he did, it doesn't mean it's his most powerful.

Wow, just wow. Goku never fought Aku Buu(Evil Gray Buu) in the manga, you're using a filler. Goku never fought Shin Buu, you're using a filler again, Goku never fought Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed) and even if he had fought him, he had fought Fat Buu 6 days before, in 6 days his energy surely has replenished, also he didn't even go all out with Fat Buu, he wasn't taking the fight seriously, he didn't lose too much energy.

All the rest of your post his flawed logic, I won't even bother answering it. The power level of Shin Buu was never showed nor in the anime nor in the manga, I can post you the manga scan where it's clearly stated being dead while using SSJ3 is easier than being alive while using SSJ3. Goku stated himself he didn't know there was such a Ki drain when he was a live, that's why the transformation worn off fast.

I laugh at your minor proof.

The Green Dragon, you shoudln't have taken him seriously, he's using fillers, video games and dub lines as evidences, That guy is almost a joke.

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Majuub: Though I lean more towards your argument, you cannot get mad at "Goku Super Saiyan 4" for using filler. This is the GT/movies section which includes filler. It really is perfectly fine for him to do so. Of course using video games and dub lines... . That's just ridiculous.

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Majuub

Yeah, you're right man. The only thing is, this is the GT/Movies section, not the ''non canon'' section. This versus is there because it discusses Vegeto(Canon) vs Gogeta(Non canon) it's perfectly fine to use non canon evidences for Gogeta since he isn't canon but Vegeto is canon therefore we must use proof from the manga, not the anime. There is an unwritten rule, when there is one non canon character in a versus, it automatically goes in the GT/Movies section. If we discuss of someone like Vegeto, fillers isn't accepted, just like when we discuss of Goku in the GT section, we say his SSJ form is as powerful as his SSJ3 form in Z who is as powerful as Chibi Buu. We don't say SSJ3 Goku in Z is higher than Shin Buu, that would put SSJ Goku in GT higher than Shin Buu and I think we both agree Goku isn't that strong. Vegeto is canon so we use canon evidences, Gogeta isn't canon so we use non-canon evidences. Honestly man, if we use filler, that puts Yamcha stronger than Perfect Cell, that puts Goku stronger than Chou Gohan and Chibi Buu is stronger than Shin Buu.

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deckzone3000

Even though most of what you just said is filler,(and some of the stuff you just made up) your whole exhausted point is wrong. Do you think the Buu saga took place in less than a day or something?

You should really quit making stuff up.

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super gogeta wins very quickly. I have him at 2X vegitos base level.

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stefzed54

Yeah I dont think Vegito is that strong, he's around Super Buu at the most IMO.

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apocalypse1280

I definitely see where you're coming from. The only problem is, we're talking about Vegito, not SSJ Vegito. Now Vegito as you may know never appeared in the manga, which makes him a filler character and non-canon. So there you have it, honestly it's a non-canon character vs another non-canon character. Filler is fine to use in this argument, besides the fact that this is the GT/movies section which essentially means "non-canon" section since non of GT or the movies are canon, and includes filler. I do see where you were coming from though.

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Majuub

Well, you're absolutely right on that one. There is only one thing, here is what this guy said:

That guy actually think if we put Vegeto and Gogeta at the same state, Gogeta wins, and we both know no matter which way you look at it, Gogeta isn't stronger, the highest we can put him is as strong as Vegeto.

You deserve rep for that.

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Chariking

In the games, Super Gogeta is better than Super Vegito.....