Bio-Broly (Completed) vs. Bojack (Transformed) - Page 4

Deep Thought · 03-01-2008

I still stand by my idea that every movie villain is stronger than the other. So:

Hirudegarn>>>Janemba (Transformed, full power)>>>>>>>>Bio Broly (completed, Legendary Super Sayajin)≥Broly (Movie 10, Legendary Super Sayajin)>>Bojack (Transformed, full power)>Broly (Movie 8, Legendary Super Sayajin)>>>>Super Android #13>>>>Meta Cooler (Post Regeneration)>>>Cooler (5th form, full power)>>>>>>>>Lord Slug (Giant Form)>>>>Turles (after devouring many fruits)>>>>Dr. Wheelo>>>>>Garlic Jr.

king omega · 03-01-2008

I think that Bio Brolly is a bit weaker than movie 10 Brolly, since the cloning process was not perfect.

Meaning that transformed Bojack would also be a little stronger that Bio Brolly.

Broly · 03-01-2008

Oh. So this is if they had completed Broly's cloning process...

If they did, it's presumable that Bio-Broly would equal his Movie 10 self. With that in mind, in my honorable opinion Bojack [transformed] would lose. A Movie 10 Broly is either stronger than SSj2 Adult Gohan [Babidi Arc; 150-175,000,000,000], or around 65,000,000,000.

Super Ultimate Gohan · 03-01-2008

Well seeing as how movie 10 Broli lost to 2 weakend MSS and a weakend base trunks giving a pussy distraction, I think thats too high.

A ss2 could have defeated movie 10 Broli as easily as Bojack Transformed...

Broly · 03-01-2008

Well, that's why I said one or the other, for those who believe Gohan is an SSj2 in Movie 10 and for those who don't. There's ample evidence though for proving Goku was there physically in Movie 10. There were not just two Super Saiyans there, but three. Now, whether Gohan was SSj2 in Movie 10 or not is completely based on opinion. Because Gohan exhibited no sparks, I still deem him as MSSj. However, I'm still building my thoughts on the possiblity that Gohan may have been an SSj2 in Movie 10.

SRP76 · 03-01-2008

I just suffered through that stupid movie again, and discovered a few things:

1. Broly is NOT supposedly stronger than he was before. It's only said that the bio-engineers have revived him. No stronger, no weaker.

2. Broly WAS "complete". Where is this "incomplete" stuff coming from? The dude was finished; that's why they were releasing him to fight Satan. He simply hadn't been woken up yet.

3. Trunks and Goten didn't "interrupt" anything. They never launched their Kamehameha.

4. The bio-gel that's so dangerous wasn't due to any "incompleteness". It was the fluid that the bio-warriors sit in while in their tubes. It was "overflowing" out of the injectors, just like the Doctor said.

All this means that this "stronger, complete Broly clone" is nothing but a figment of someone's imagination. What we saw in Bio-Broly was the complete clone. He just happens to suck.

Super Ultimate Gohan · 03-01-2008

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Originally Posted by Broly

Well, that's why I said one or the other, for those who believe Gohan is an SSj2 in Movie 10 and for those who don't. There's ample evidence though for proving Goku was there physically in Movie 10. There were not just two Super Saiyans there, but three. Now, whether Gohan was SSj2 in Movie 10 or not is completely based on opinion. Because Gohan exhibited no sparks, I still deem him as MSSj. However, I'm still building my thoughts on the possiblity that Gohan may have been an SSj2 in Movie 10.

Um...I just finished watching movie 10, MSS Gohan NEVER had and sparks or anything around his body, so that would rule out SS2 right there, sinse his aura is that of a SS and thats it, and his hair is that of a SS only. Well like you said, but there is no way kakarrot could be there shenron WAS NOT summoned, therefore he could not grant any wished...That situation was like the cell games, only kakarrot's spirit was there, it just so happens his spirit is strong enough for Broli to see, which isn't a stretch.

Broly · 03-01-2008

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Um...I just finished watching movie 10, MSS Gohan NEVER had and sparks or anything around his body, so that would rule out SS2 right there, sinse his aura is that of a SS and thats it, and his hair is that of a SS only. Well like you said, but there is no way kakarrot could be there shenron WAS NOT summoned, therefore he could not grant any wished...That situation was like the cell games, only kakarrot's spirit was there, it just so happens his spirit is strong enough for Broli to see, which isn't a stretch.

That's what I had said. Gohan exhibited no electricity round his body while sustaining the transformation, however, the reason why this can be debated is because of the fact that Toei makes the mistake of not adding in electricity to Vegeta's aura in Movie 12 while he's fighting Shin Janemba. [they also forget to add sparks in his aura in the anime while he's fighting Chibi Buu]

To keep it short, SSj2 Goku couldn't keep stride with Janemba [1st Form], so assuming Shin Janemba just lowered his power level to combat an SSj Vegeta when he quite easily brushed aside an SSj3 is completely out of the question. This is why I deem that as a mistake in Movie 12, and gives me reason to believe they did the same in "forgetting" or making the mistake of not putting sparks in Gohan's aura in Movie 10.

SRP76 · 03-01-2008

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Toei makes the mistake of not adding in electricity to Vegeta's aura in Movie 12 while he's fighting Shin Janemba.

Assumption. Just because you think "he should be", doesn't mean he is.

And the "he should be", and "I think they forgot" arguments are irrelevant. Like I said before, what is on-screen is final. You can't just pretend the movie is showing us something that it isn't. What is shown is what we have to work with. You cannot change the movie.

Super Ultimate Gohan · 03-01-2008

Actually the forgetting is relevant, because TOEI does forget, and they do make a mistake in the final screen anime. So in movie 12 that was shown, however in movie 10 Toei wouldn't make that many mistakes, he aura and hair was not that of a SS2, along with not having any electricity, Toei would not make that many mistakes on one person in one movie.

Broly · 03-02-2008

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Originally Posted by SRP76

Assumption. Just because you think "he should be", doesn't mean he is.

And the "he should be", and "I think they forgot" arguments are irrelevant. Like I said before, what is on-screen is final. You can't just pretend the movie is showing us something that it isn't. What is shown is what we have to work with. You cannot change the movie.

I'm not "pretending". I'm simply deriving logical explanations from the given evidence. We are humans. Mistakes are more than possible. Even Toriyama makes mistakes. You got to understand that not everything is full blown fact if it's shown in the movies. And we know the Z Movies would be one the most apt sources of DBZ to make a mistake like that since the Movies don't even make sense anyway you slice them. And this is why there are so many suppositions of Broly's power range along with other characters. Please listen. SSj2 Goku is considerably weaker than Janemba [1st Form]. Shown. Janemba's transformed state, "Shin Janemaba", is stronger than SSj3 by a considerable amount. Shown. A seeming MSSj Vegeta steps in the ring to combat said Shin Janemba, but manages to oppose and evade his attacks with semi-adeptness in light of SSj3 Goku's effort against the monster. For someone even like Vegeta to keep up with Janemba's movements while in a Super Saiyan state is simply not possible. Vegeta being SSj2 is believable because I know Janemba does toy around, but nothing is shown or hinted to Janemba lowering his ki level just to fight an SSj Vegeta, which incurs the said probability of him being SSj2 to be most likely true. Janemba toys with his opponents but he's so far above even SSj2 power that to believe Vegeta faired as well as he did against Shin Janemba as a MSSj is, to me, beyond the bounds of belief.

Super Ultimate Gohan · 03-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Broly

I'm not "pretending". I'm simply deriving logical explanations from the given evidence. We are humans. Mistakes are more than possible. Even Toriyama makes mistakes. You got to understand that not everything is full blown fact if it's shown in the movies. And we know the Z Movies would be one the most apt sources of DBZ to make a mistake like that since the Movies don't even make sense anyway you slice them. And this is why there are so many suppositions of Broly's power range along with other characters. Please listen. SSj2 Goku is considerably weaker than Janemba [1st Form]. Shown. Janemba's transformed state, "Shin Janemaba", is stronger than SSj3 by a considerable amount. Shown. A seeming MSSj Vegeta steps in the ring to combat said Shin Janemba, but manages to oppose and evade his attacks with semi-adeptness in light of SSj3 Goku's effort against the monster. For someone even like Vegeta to keep up with Janemba's movements while in a Super Saiyan state is simply not possible. Vegeta being SSj2 is believable because I know Janemba does toy around, but nothing is shown or hinted to Janemba lowering his ki level just to fight an SSj Vegeta, which incurs the said probability of him being SSj2 to be most likely true. Janemba toys with his opponents but he's so far above even SSj2 power that to believe Vegeta faired as well as he did against Shin Janemba as a MSSj is, to me, beyond the bounds of belief.

Well this makes 3 or 4 times we've seen eye to eye on a topic this week, maybe we should set a new record

Broly · 03-02-2008

I think that is a new record of agreement. Most times you disagree with me. But thanks for agreeing this time. :D

Super Ultimate Gohan · 03-02-2008

NP. But yea were going through that somewhere else lol. But it's all fun though, hell it gives me something to do. :D

Senzu_Bean · 03-02-2008

Since there isn't any Bio-Broly [Completed] or [Uncompleted], the Bio-Broly in the movie would have the same strength of Broly [Movie 8], since he didn't received a Zenkai. Unless Zenkais modified DNA.

03-01-2008	#46 (permalink)
Deep Thought (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: America, vague, huh??? Posts: 1,253 Rep Power: 32	Re: Bio-Broly (Completed) vs. Bojack (Transformed) I still stand by my idea that every movie villain is stronger than the other. So: Hirudegarn>>>Janemba (Transformed, full power)>>>>>>>>Bio Broly (completed, Legendary Super Sayajin)≥Broly (Movie 10, Legendary Super Sayajin)>>Bojack (Transformed, full power)>Broly (Movie 8, Legendary Super Sayajin)>>>>Super Android #13>>>>Meta Cooler (Post Regeneration)>>>Cooler (5th form, full power)>>>>>>>>Lord Slug (Giant Form)>>>>Turles (after devouring many fruits)>>>>Dr. Wheelo>>>>>Garlic Jr.

03-01-2008	#47 (permalink)
king omega Naruto Ranked (21) Sannin Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hell, exploring the layers. Posts: 1,639 Rep Power: 10	Re: Bio-Broly (Completed) vs. Bojack (Transformed) I think that Bio Brolly is a bit weaker than movie 10 Brolly, since the cloning process was not perfect. Meaning that transformed Bojack would also be a little stronger that Bio Brolly. __________________ Yesterday seems as though it never existed Death greets me warm, now I will just say good-bye MetallicA Fade to Black

03-01-2008	#48 (permalink)
Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: Bio-Broly (Completed) vs. Bojack (Transformed) Oh. So this is if they had completed Broly's cloning process... If they did, it's presumable that Bio-Broly would equal his Movie 10 self. With that in mind, in my honorable opinion Bojack [transformed] would lose. A Movie 10 Broly is either stronger than SSj2 Adult Gohan [Babidi Arc; 150-175,000,000,000], or around 65,000,000,000. __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

03-01-2008	#49 (permalink)
Super Ultimate Gohan (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,638 Rep Power: 6	Re: Bio-Broly (Completed) vs. Bojack (Transformed) Well seeing as how movie 10 Broli lost to 2 weakend MSS and a weakend base trunks giving a pussy distraction, I think thats too high. A ss2 could have defeated movie 10 Broli as easily as Bojack Transformed... __________________ *"Yes it has been too long, now I am back and better than ever!"*

03-01-2008	#50 (permalink)
Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: Bio-Broly (Completed) vs. Bojack (Transformed) Well, that's why I said one or the other, for those who believe Gohan is an SSj2 in Movie 10 and for those who don't. There's ample evidence though for proving Goku was there physically in Movie 10. There were not just two Super Saiyans there, but three. Now, whether Gohan was SSj2 in Movie 10 or not is completely based on opinion. Because Gohan exhibited no sparks, I still deem him as MSSj. However, I'm still building my thoughts on the possiblity that Gohan may have been an SSj2 in Movie 10. __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

03-01-2008	#51 (permalink)
SRP76 (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,341 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 39	Re: Bio-Broly (Completed) vs. Bojack (Transformed) I just suffered through that stupid movie again, and discovered a few things: 1. Broly is NOT supposedly stronger than he was before. It's only said that the bio-engineers have revived him. No stronger, no weaker. 2. Broly WAS "complete". Where is this "incomplete" stuff coming from? The dude was finished; that's why they were releasing him to fight Satan. He simply hadn't been woken up yet. 3. Trunks and Goten didn't "interrupt" anything. They never launched their Kamehameha. 4. The bio-gel that's so dangerous wasn't due to any "incompleteness". It was the fluid that the bio-warriors sit in while in their tubes. It was "overflowing" out of the injectors, just like the Doctor said. All this means that this "stronger, complete Broly clone" is nothing but a figment of someone's imagination. What we saw in Bio-Broly was the complete clone. He just happens to suck.

03-01-2008	#55 (permalink)
Super Ultimate Gohan (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,638 Rep Power: 6	Re: Bio-Broly (Completed) vs. Bojack (Transformed) Actually the forgetting is relevant, because TOEI does forget, and they do make a mistake in the final screen anime. So in movie 12 that was shown, however in movie 10 Toei wouldn't make that many mistakes, he aura and hair was not that of a SS2, along with not having any electricity, Toei would not make that many mistakes on one person in one movie. __________________ *"Yes it has been too long, now I am back and better than ever!"*

03-02-2008	#58 (permalink)
Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: Bio-Broly (Completed) vs. Bojack (Transformed) I think that is a new record of agreement. Most times you disagree with me. But thanks for agreeing this time. :D __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

03-02-2008	#59 (permalink)
Super Ultimate Gohan (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,638 Rep Power: 6	Re: Bio-Broly (Completed) vs. Bojack (Transformed) NP. But yea were going through that somewhere else lol. But it's all fun though, hell it gives me something to do. :D __________________ *"Yes it has been too long, now I am back and better than ever!"*

03-02-2008	#60 (permalink)
Senzu_Bean (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,963 Rep Power: 11	Re: Bio-Broly (Completed) vs. Bojack (Transformed) Since there isn't any Bio-Broly [Completed] or [Uncompleted], the Bio-Broly in the movie would have the same strength of Broly [Movie 8], since he didn't received a Zenkai. Unless Zenkais modified DNA.