Lord Slug (Base Form) vs. Captain Ginyu (Without Body Change)

SSGokuTim · 12-31-2007

Who would win this fight? Assume that Lord Slug stays in his normal,
non-giant form and fights Captain Ginyu without using Body change. I'd bet my money on slug, since Goku had to turn "Super Saiyan" to completely own him, but any other thoughts? Remember that Movie 04 takes place as an alternate timeline during the Ginyu and late Namek sagas.

**Zer0** · 12-31-2007

Old Suraggu or Young Suraggu?

Honestly I'd place Gokuu at that time slightly ahead of his 90,000. With Old Suraggu being somewhat more powerful than that I see Suraggu Old or Young as the victor.

SSGokuTim · 12-31-2007

Yeah, I meant Young slug, after he regained his youth. I see the power levels like this.

Goku (Base): 90,000
Goku (Toei's Super Saiyan): 4,500,000
Ginyu: 120,000
Young Slug: ???

I view the "False" Super Saiyan as just a different type of Super Saiyan, because of how Toei didn't know what the SSj would look like. Goku also didn't have full control over his power, so he couldn't fight very long, but I believe the power multiplier is still x50. So 90,000 x 50 = 4,500,000.

In that respect,

SSj Goku>>>False SSj Goku>>>Young Slug>>Base Goku (Ginyu Saga)

But Ginyu has to fit in there somewhere. Since his power level is higher than base Goku's some may think he's stronger, but Goku overwhelmed him with Kaioken.

SSj Goku--150,000,000
Base Goku (Frieza saga)--3,000,000
False SSj Goku--4,500,000
Base Goku (Movie 04)--90,000
Goku (Kaioken)--180,000,000
Ginyu--120,000

Xyex · 12-31-2007

Well, the thing with movie 4 is that Goku didn't use the Kaio Ken until after Slug went giant. And even then he only used the first level of it. Also, Flase SSJ Goku, while enough to overwhelm Slug, didn't wipe him out utterly in just a few blows. I also figure the powers for the movie were between the Ginyu and Freeza powers so my thoughts would be something like:

Base Goku - 150,000
False SSJ Goku - 750,000
Post FSSJ Base Goku - 225,000
Battered Base Goku - 30,000
Goku + Piccolo + Kaio Ken - 300,000
Old Slug - 130,000
Young Slug - 190,000
Giant Slug - 230,000

Sooo, yeah, Ginyu would, IMO, get his ass kicked in a fight with Slug if he couldn't steal Slug's body.

**Zer0** · 12-31-2007

Young Suraggu said Gokuu may have had a chance against his Old self.

Giant Suraggu was confident enough to think he'd could stop SSj Gokuu (He didn't know about Gokuu's lack of control).

**Broly** · 12-31-2007

I believe Goku's base was 90,000 in movie 4. In order for Slug [young] too have beaten up Goku as badly as he did, his PL would at least have to be almost equal to Ginyu's: 120,000.

**LegendarySSJ7** · 12-31-2007

If this is Young Slug, I'd give it to him - he beat Goku's arm pretty nonchalantly with such lucid interest that the amount of gap could be so wide. Elderly Slug had enough power to rein in his cronies in an almost sports-like way, but I'd give it to Ginyu if it's against the older Slug; younger version, Slug.

Deep thought · 12-31-2007

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Originally Posted by LegendarySSJ7

If this is Young Slug, I'd give it to him - he beat Goku's arm pretty nonchalantly with such lucid interest that the amount of gap could be so wide. Elderly Slug had enough power to rein in his cronies in an almost sports-like way, but I'd give it to Ginyu if it's against the older Slug; younger version, Slug.

Remember, you can do that with a 1.3x difference, and that was the difference between Ginyu and Goku. I personally think that Goku's powerlevel was 90,000, so the fight could go either way.

king omega · 12-31-2007

I would say Slug would win since I believe his is a bit stronger then Ginyu and may just take him out while he is doing his poses lol.

**LegendarySSJ7** · 12-31-2007

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Originally Posted by Deep thought

Remember, you can do that with a 1.3x difference, and that was the difference between Ginyu and Goku. I personally think that Goku's powerlevel was 90,000, so the fight could go either way.

Again, the fight with Kiwi and Vegeta was case-sensitive (Vegeta was giving off some effort), and it goes to show that without too much trepidation and effort that differences can be both largely epic and abridged. I just feel there was a large gap between Goku and Slug's younger state because of the kind of attitude Slug gave to the fight in question - not significantly afar from the lucid, jocular, careless attitude SS2 Gohan gave Complete Cell.

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SSGokuTim (11) Student of Lord Kaio Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Youtube, owning noobs Posts: 191 Rep Power: 2	Lord Slug (Base Form) vs. Captain Ginyu (Without Body Change) Who would win this fight? Assume that Lord Slug stays in his normal, non-giant form and fights Captain Ginyu without using Body change. I'd bet my money on slug, since Goku had to turn "Super Saiyan" to completely own him, but any other thoughts? Remember that Movie 04 takes place as an alternate timeline during the Ginyu and late Namek sagas.

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Zer0 Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hn, None of your business Posts: 9,377 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 74	Re: Lord Slug (base form) vs Captain Ginyu (without body change) Old Suraggu or Young Suraggu? Honestly I'd place Gokuu at that time slightly ahead of his 90,000. With Old Suraggu being somewhat more powerful than that I see Suraggu Old or Young as the victor. __________________ \|Work in Progress Signature\| \|Bleach Power Levels\| \|Movie Power Levels\| \|Databook Statistics\|

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SSGokuTim (11) Student of Lord Kaio Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Youtube, owning noobs Posts: 191 Rep Power: 2	Re: Lord Slug (base form) vs Captain Ginyu (without body change) Yeah, I meant Young slug, after he regained his youth. I see the power levels like this. Goku (Base): 90,000 Goku (Toei's Super Saiyan): 4,500,000 Ginyu: 120,000 Young Slug: ??? I view the "False" Super Saiyan as just a different type of Super Saiyan, because of how Toei didn't know what the SSj would look like. Goku also didn't have full control over his power, so he couldn't fight very long, but I believe the power multiplier is still x50. So 90,000 x 50 = 4,500,000. In that respect, SSj Goku>>>False SSj Goku>>>Young Slug>>Base Goku (Ginyu Saga) But Ginyu has to fit in there somewhere. Since his power level is higher than base Goku's some may think he's stronger, but Goku overwhelmed him with Kaioken. SSj Goku--150,000,000 Base Goku (Frieza saga)--3,000,000 False SSj Goku--4,500,000 Base Goku (Movie 04)--90,000 Goku (Kaioken)--180,000,000 Ginyu--120,000

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Xyex (17) Super Saiyan Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 670 Rep Power: 4	Re: Lord Slug (base form) vs Captain Ginyu (without body change) Well, the thing with movie 4 is that Goku didn't use the Kaio Ken until after Slug went giant. And even then he only used the first level of it. Also, Flase SSJ Goku, while enough to overwhelm Slug, didn't wipe him out utterly in just a few blows. I also figure the powers for the movie were between the Ginyu and Freeza powers so my thoughts would be something like: Base Goku - 150,000 False SSJ Goku - 750,000 Post FSSJ Base Goku - 225,000 Battered Base Goku - 30,000 Goku + Piccolo + Kaio Ken - 300,000 Old Slug - 130,000 Young Slug - 190,000 Giant Slug - 230,000 Sooo, yeah, Ginyu would, IMO, get his ass kicked in a fight with Slug if he couldn't steal Slug's body. __________________ AH Saga 6: Read Altered History: Saga I Saga II Saga III Saga IV Saga V

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Zer0 Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hn, None of your business Posts: 9,377 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 74	Re: Lord Slug (base form) vs Captain Ginyu (without body change) Young Suraggu said Gokuu may have had a chance against his Old self. Giant Suraggu was confident enough to think he'd could stop SSj Gokuu (He didn't know about Gokuu's lack of control). __________________ \|Work in Progress Signature\| \|Bleach Power Levels\| \|Movie Power Levels\| \|Databook Statistics\|

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Broly God of Death Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Walktown Posts: 7,290 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 16	Re: Lord Slug (base form) vs Captain Ginyu (without body change) I believe Goku's base was 90,000 in movie 4. In order for Slug [young] too have beaten up Goku as badly as he did, his PL would at least have to be almost equal to Ginyu's: 120,000. __________________ $E:\Avatars\fhrytuyiuio.JPG$

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LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,400 Rep Power: 11	Re: Lord Slug (base form) vs Captain Ginyu (without body change) If this is Young Slug, I'd give it to him - he beat Goku's arm pretty nonchalantly with such lucid interest that the amount of gap could be so wide. Elderly Slug had enough power to rein in his cronies in an almost sports-like way, but I'd give it to Ginyu if it's against the older Slug; younger version, Slug. __________________

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king omega Naruto Ranked (21) Sannin Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hell, exploring the layers. Posts: 1,634 Rep Power: 8	Re: Lord Slug (Base Form) vs. Captain Ginyu (Without Body Change) I would say Slug would win since I believe his is a bit stronger then Ginyu and may just take him out while he is doing his poses lol. __________________ Yesterday seems as though it never existed Death greets me warm, now I will just say good-bye MetallicA Fade to Black