Majuub

Me and Broly were discussing of that match up in another thread, we got carried away so we'll do it here. Here is what we said so far:

To the last quote I answer: Rildo knew how much power Goku had, he even said: So, you were only using 50% of your power all this time, that I knew. He said that just after Goku went SSJ so he knew how strong SSJ Goku was. Goku didn't seem suprised when Rildo powered up, so he knew what was to be expected, he was just impressed. Keep in mind Rildo is a meta mutant, he's an organic being therefore it is possible to read his power level. When the Sigma force captured Goku, he went SSJ right after since he was tired to play, he knew he had to go SSJ in order to defeat Rildo since he knew Rildo had much more power than he displayed. That statements nullifies the fact that Goku trained Uub enough for him to be as strong as Chibi Buu which also nullfies the fact that base Goku is as strong as Chibi Buu. We don't which Buu Goku was refering to but it's just ridiculous to think he was refering to Shin Buu since it would mean base Goku GT is like 4x stronger than Z SSJ3 Goku.

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SRP76

Rildo wins.

At worst, base Goku is equal to Kid Buu. He needed to go Super Saiyan to defeat Rildo.

Majuub

I edited my post, look above yours if you don't mind please.

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Darkprince410

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Originally Posted by Majuub
Uub training was complete, it doesn't mean he's as strong as Chibi Buu. It just means Goku feels that he trained him enough so now he doesn't need him anymore. It's like when a master says to his student: I have nothing more to teach you. It doesn't mean that his student reached his full power, it just means that the master thaught him everything he knew, that's all. Goku was handling Rildo in base, but it's not like Rildo was going all out.

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Originally Posted by Broly
I disagree. Goku's whole purpose of training Uub was to get him back to his former power so Goku could have another exciting match with him. Vegeta takes notice of this during the Budokai.So, when he finally did complete his training, it's pretty safe to assume that Uub had reached his former power. That is what Goku eventually intended for him to accomplish, and that's the whole reason of their battle in the beginning of GT. That was the fight Goku was waiting for all that time, and the fight that would "graduate" Uub so to speak out of Goku's hands and into heroism. And I never said that his former power was his full potential.

As for the Rilldo thing, it's GT. I tried to explain it as clearly and simply as I could.

Listen though, I don't want to keep off topic. We need to stay on topic. We're mods now, and we can't afford to behave like this. If you would like to continue this discussion in a new thread, I'll be glad to join you. Whad'ya say?


Unfortunately Broly is mistaken about these events. Gokuu expressly states to Uub right after their spar at the beginning of GT that he has nothing more that he can teach him, and sends him out to train on his own so that he can become as strong as he (Gokuu) knows he (Uub) can be. As such, Uub had still not reached the same level of power that Chibi Buu had at the end of Z.

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SRP76

Who says Uub can only get as strong as Kid Buu was? It isn't like Kid Buu ever trained for 5 years. I'm pretty sure he would have been able to get stronger. Why the assumption that Kid Buu was as absolutely as powerful as he could be?

And even if he couldn't, Uub is NOT Kid Buu. He's an Earthling. Even if he's the reincarnation of Kid Buu, he would continue to get stronger as long as he trained, just like any other Earthling. Having Kid Buu's power is just the starting point, not the end.

Piccolo is the reincarnation of King Piccolo. Does that mean Piccolo (Saiyan battle) = King Piccolo in power? Absolutely NOT. You can go far beyond the "original".

Darkprince410

But you're missing the fact that Gokuu says he hasn't reached the level that he knows he can get. I'm not disputing the fact that Uub could become stronger than Chibi Buu, I'm just saying that by Gokuu's words, he hasn't done so yet (as that's the only power limit that Gokuu is aware of Uub having)

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SRP76

He can't be far off. He did better against a stronger form of Baby than the likes of Gohan and Vegeta did. Although we don't know exactly what happened to their power between Z and GT, I don't think they got any weaker. They both should have at least been close to Kid Buu's power level.

And Goku's always optimistic; why would he assume Kid Buu was Uub's limit? He could "know that Uub is capable" of a lot more. He's never, ever believed in "limits" to power.

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Wait, wait. What were we supposed to be talking about, originally?

Oh, Rildo vs. Kid Buu.

Anyway, Goku claims Rildo is "stronger than Majin Buu". What's the weakest Buu? Mr. Buu. Kid Buu owned him, but not to a "kill you instantly" degree. So, he can't be twice Mr. Buu's power.

Base Goku fought the at least Mr. Buu-level Rildo, and wasn't beaten. To beat Rildo's "true" form, Goku had to multiply his power several times by going Super Saiyan. That would put him way above Kid Buu, and he didn't own Rildo. So Rildo would have to be stronger than Kid Buu.

Majuub

Goku: Wow I think he's as strong as Majin Buu
Trunks: You give him too much credit.

For all we know, Rildo isn't as strong as Majin Buu, it was stated.

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Broly

I just watched the episodes where Goku fought Rilldo. Here's how it went:

Kid Goku [base] > General Rilldo [base]

SSj Kid Goku =/> Sigma Rilldo

SSj Kid Goku < Meta Rilldo

Now, if we take Goku and Trunks' statement as true, and that being Rilldo [base] is a bit below Majin Buu's power, then Uub is actually around his former power during the start of GT. This is all assuming Goku is referring to Chibi Buu in his statement. If Kid Goku [base] is stronger than Rilldo [base], which he is, then that would most likely mean Uub is stronger as well.

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Majuub

Rildo: So, you weren't using your full power, that I knew.

He said that just after Goku turned SSJ, he knew Goku was way stronger than he showed, when Rildo powered up, Goku was impressed but not suprised meaning he knew what was Rildo's power. He doesn't mean base Rildo is stronger than Chibi Buu, he was refering to full power Rildo. That one not as strong as Chibi Buu, he wasn't refering to base Rildo for sure since he was kicking him easily at base form so why would he be impressed by a being he can beat when he's not even transformed. He was impressed because he knew in order to beat Rildo he had to turn SSJ, so if meta Rildo is a little stronger than SSJ Goku and Chibi Buu is a little stronger than meta Rildo, we got our answer.

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king omega

once he goes to his Metal form he can turn Chibi Buu into Metal and crush him.

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Majuub

Please try to read what we say. I know it is your opinion, but could you please say why you think so and read the posts above. Thank you.

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king omega

All I am saying is that Rildo can turn Buu into Metal thats it.

Im Not saying he would win but that would help.

EDIT:I edited my last post.

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Majuub

You foget something, you can't destroy Buu just by breaking him apart, he'll regenerate easily. You have to completely obliterate him and erease each and every trace of him until there is nothing left.

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Broly

I understand what you're saying, but...to me it's a matter of misinterpretation. Goku stated that Rilldo's current PL [when Rilldo was in base form] was close to that of Majin Buu's, presumably Chibi Buu's. Goku had no idea Rilldo could go meta. He only knew that Rilldo had some kind of hidden power, but nothing more than what he expected, which was minuscule. Goku stated that Sigma Rilldo had powered up more than he expected. If he knew Meta-Rilldo's power than he definately wouldn't be surprised or mistaken about Sigma Rilldo's power. He was only sensing Rilldo's base power.

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