Broly

Movie 13's approximate timeline is after the Kid Buu arc. In which case SSj3 Goku probably became stronger over the years. Judging from Goten and Trunks size the movie couldn't have been more than 2 years away from the Kid Buu Arc. There's no way Goku could get that strong in 2 years to where he surpasses even Ultimate Gohan.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb58XZk9cpY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUgQB...eature=related

Zer0

Honestly this battle is pointless. Its not even Super Janemba. Its just Janemba. The fat yellow blob that was around MSSj/SSj2 Gokuu. SSj3 Gokuu did nothing against Hirudagarn. It was all the Ryu-Ken.

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Broly

So that means SSj3 Goku [Ryu-Ken; Movie 13] is greater than Ultimate Gohan? That makes no sense. There's no way that attack increases his power that much.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb58XZk9cpY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUgQB...eature=related

Cableguy15

Well apparently, he found a "weak point", or in other words a weak excuse to give Goku the win.

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burningvegeta

Excatly Goku used his emotions to kill Hirudagarn, as he saw his friends dying on the ground he got all angry and thats when Gokuy's energy begings to raise touncontrollable levels this mostly happens in DBZ only. Goku lost in Super Sayian 3 to Base Janemba, and got battered by Super Janemba, Goku SSJ3 beat Hirudegarn so this makes Jnameba stronger.

They have to make Goku win somehow, he got beat by Hirudegarn first time round,m then he saw his friends battered then he got extra strength from out of nowhere, like what happened to Turles, Frieza, i can't think of any others.

Janemba is stronger, born of a chamber of pure evil able to bend (heavens and hell) space and time by will, Hirdudagarn was a stone statue made by wizards that was eaily counter when sliced with a mystical sword. I doubt Janemba could be easily disposed of and sealed inside a box, Janemba has a vast arsenel of mystical powers that Hirdagarn does not, Hirdugarn can teleport, but Janemba teleported alot more easier and remeber he plumted Goku with this techinique...

Janemba (Base Form) vs Hirudagarn (Last Transformation) - Janemba (Base Form)

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Majuub

Lol, SSJ3 Gotenks stronger than SSJ Gogeta, what have you smoke Devilz. You know Toei, they are here to please fans and make Goku insanley powerful so according to Toei it would be more like this.
Gogeta >SSJ3 Goku(Movie 13 since it was some time after movie 12 he had a lot of time to get stronger)>Hirudegarn>Janemba>Mystic Gohan>SSJ3 Gotenks
And it goes on and on.

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Devilz

SSJ3 Goku would have to increase his strength over 5 times to come anywhere close to SSJ3 Gotenks, there's no way he's getting that big of an increase.
And he only won because he found Hirudegarn's weakness and the dragon fist technique which is very powerful. Mystic Gohan would destroy SSJ3 Goku in a battle.

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Akatoshs Servent

In my opinion Hirudegarn will be able to defeat Janemba cause Hirudegarn was able to hurt SSJ3 Goku while Janemba in his base form could not hit SSJ3 Goku

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Majuub

We are talking about a movie which isn't canon, Gokuu recieved the major Toei power-up and he did better against Hirudegarn than Chou Gohan or SSJ3 Gotenkusu, in that movie he was the strongest character, so yes he did powered up like 5x his previous strenght (At least according to Toei). You still gotta have a lot of power to perform a the dragon fist technic you can't say he won only because he found his weakness since his weakness was one of Gokuu's technic and there was nothing unfair.
I suggest you to edit your post since SSJ3 Gotenkusu can't be stronger than Gogeta, think about it, if SSJ3 Gokuu was able to kill Hirudegarn just imagine what Gogeta would do to him.

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Super Cool

Gogeta ain't that great. He just used an exorcism technique.

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Broly

At the most, SSj Gogeta is at Super Buu[Gotenks Prime]'s level of power.

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"My true power realized, I looked deeper in my ability and will, and forged a stronger desire in killing Kakarot: to destroy with much more ire, and to murder with much more hate...all to experience that much more pleasure."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb58XZk9cpY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUgQB...eature=related

Majuub

Not at all, we only had a slight idea of Gogeta's power, he was thrashing Janemba, Janemba tried to punch him but Gogeta didn't even feel the hit, The Old Kai said that the potara fusion was stronger but Gogeta musn't be that far from Vegeto. Gogeta would thrash any form of Buu.

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Super Cool

Janemba is still better than gogeta. We never saw what vegito could truly do either.

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Broly

We know these few things about SSj Gogeta:

1. He beat Janemba in 30 seconds so he's obviously way more powerful than him.

2. Gogeta is < than Vegetto. Stated by Old Kai.

The fusion dance is far inferior to the Potara earrings. I think it's safe to say that he's most likely at Super Buu [Gotenks Prime]'s level. Not much more can be said on the matter because of the lack of information we have, but imo that seems to fit.

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"My true power realized, I looked deeper in my ability and will, and forged a stronger desire in killing Kakarot: to destroy with much more ire, and to murder with much more hate...all to experience that much more pleasure."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb58XZk9cpY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUgQB...eature=related

Super Cool

So what if he beat janemba he still sucks.[angry]

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