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A Cell Junior versus the Legendary Super Saiyan from movie 8.
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The Cell Jr. Cell Jr > Ascended Super Saiyan Vegeta (post 2nd RoSaT)
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Cell Jr >=Vegeta 2nd ROSAT>Broly, IMO!
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It all depends if Broly gets angry enough.
If he does, he could go SSJ1(that's it, the green haired form. That is still SSJ1) or LSSJ.
So, with all due respect.
Broly(base)<CellJr
Broly SSJ=Cell JR
Broly LSSJ>Cell JR.
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[quote user="SSJ5Goku"]It all depends if Broly gets angry enough.[/quote] Broli's anger is not a reflection of his power. All the anger does is unlock his Super Saiyan and Legendary Super Saiyan state. His overflow of chi and the power boost in the tenth film have nothing to do with powering up. The overflow of chi was just him having more chi in his body than he could handle, which he let go in a destructive display. FUNi's dialogue about him getting stronger does not validate an 'Incredible Hulk' theory. The power boost in the tenth film came because of his survival of Goku's final blow in the eighth film; the reason he beat down the Z Warriors is because of the auto-evolution. His healed mark and ability to thrash Super Saiyan Gohan is proof enough.
My vote is for the Cell Juniors. No one in the eighth film displayed an aura as intense as that of Goku after refining the Super Saiyan state nor even a surpassed Super Saiyan state, and there's heaps of proof that the film is basically a "what if the characters could walk outside midway through their RoSaT training".
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I have to go with Broly in this one. One Cell Jr. could not beat him. Broly is around SPC power level give or take alittle.
Broly would walk into the fight, the Cell Jr. would punch him, Broly would laugh, and then blow it to smitheriens.
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Excuse me by SPC you mean Perfect Cell (post regeneration)? So you say that Burori (Legendary Super Saiya-jinn) is around the level of Son Gohan (Super Saiya-jinn 2)?
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i have to go with Broly at his best. His pl was near Perfect
Cell's. Even Vegeta didnt want to fight him. (Vegeta was brave enough
to blast SPC right after Trunks was killed. ). Broly has more
power than the Cell Jrs. He could form a ki barrier with his imensse
energy. Trunks and Vegeta and maybe even Picolo were handling the
Cell Jr's. But they couldnt even hurt Broly.
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[quote user="Gogeta the Super Fusion"]i have to go with Broly at his best. His pl was near Perfect
Cell's. Even Vegeta didnt want to fight him. (Vegeta was brave enough
to blast SPC right after Trunks was killed. ). Broly has more
power than the Cell Jrs. He could form a ki barrier with his imensse
energy. Trunks and Vegeta and maybe even Picolo were handling the
Cell Jr's. But they couldnt even hurt Broly.

[/quote]Yet Movie 8 falls in place and falls under the occurrence of around the mid-RoSaT period since Goku and Gohan are not ubiquitously maintaining their SSj states. Such is not integrated. Meaning SSj Vegeta and Trunks... could be as weak as 'Incomplete' Cell (Form 2) which means Cell's Juniors could be any place above SSj 3rd Grade Broli in power (and considering the Goku who projected a fierce MSSj Aura after the lended Chi forayed and dealt away with Broli rather quickly and tersely, with no smile sweeping under his nose, with the triumph element added to just that, in that flash of might).
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[quote user="SuperVegetto3"]Excuse me by SPC you mean Perfect Cell (post regeneration)? So you say that Burori (Legendary Super Saiya-jinn) is around the level of Son Gohan (Super Saiya-jinn 2)?[/quote]
Yes, I say Broly is around the level of SSJ2 Gohan. Maybe alttile weaker, maybe alittle stronger, but around that level. You can make the argument that Goku in Movie 8 wasn't Full Power Super saiyan or they hadn't yet entered the Rosat but then again you can't make a claim that they have either seeing's how th rather large plot hole in the movie concerning the placement.
But yes, I say that Broly is roughly in the same league as SSJ2 Gohan or Super Perfect Cell.

In power level terms i'd say(i'll just use the pl's at mfg because quite frankly i'd screw up.)
Super Perfect Cell - 225,000,000
Super Gohan 2 - 300,000,000

Now my Broly estimate
Broly(LSSJ)-220,000,000

So like I said before, Broly would take out the Cell Jr. with minimal effort
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[quote user="L.A."]Yes, I say Broly is around the level of SSJ2 Gohan. Maybe alttile weaker, maybe alittle stronger, but around that level. You can make the argument that Goku in Movie 8 wasn't Full Power Super saiyan or they hadn't yet entered the Rosat but then again you can't make a claim that they have either seeing's how th rather large plot hole in the movie concerning the placement.
But yes, I say that Broly is roughly in the same league as SSJ2 Gohan or Super Perfect Cell.



In power level terms i'd say(i'll just use the pl's at mfg because quite frankly i'd screw up.)

Super Perfect Cell - 225,000,000

Super Gohan 2 - 300,000,000



Now my Broly estimate

Broly(LSSJ)-220,000,000



So like I said before, Broly would take out the Cell Jr. with minimal effort

[/quote]1.) If he was any place near to a SSj2 or even a MSSj, the Goku exhibiting and projecting that intense MSSj aura at the end of Movie 8 would not have dealt away with Broli (and with that pusillanimousness filling his eyes, let alone him given pause).
2.) Those power levels are squalidly wrong on any sense of the word, and I'd like to pronounce my intention that you don't use that as a template (that's invalid to begin with, which is basically the parameters for my post).
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I'd go with Brolly on this one. The Cell Juniors should be around Perfect Cell in his most suppressed state while I see Broly to be a bit weaker than Mastered SSJ Goku. In regards to Brolly's victory, the power difference should suffice.
For Example if...
Goku: 150
then...
Broly: 100
Cell Jr: 80
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Quote:
1.) If he was any place near to a SSj2 or even a MSSj, the Goku exhibiting and projecting that intense MSSj aura at the end of Movie 8 would not have dealt away with Broli (and with that pusillanimousness filling his eyes).
2.) Those power levels are squalidly wrong on any sense of the word, and I'd like to pronounce my intention that you don't use that as a template (that's invalid to begin with, which is basically the parameters for my post).
Well, really can't respond to the first part of your post cause well, ya stumped me and that it's been forever since i've seen the show, and i've honestly never read the manga. I'll get a better estimate of the MSSJ aura and powerlevel in ther coming weeks though(Just learned the shoew is airing at 12:30 midnights in my area and they are in the Android Saga.) Until then, you've stumped me.
Althogh the second part about the pls being wrong, I new they weren't right but saying that any power level list is a lie. You can be extremely close to the rigt power level yet you can't really get the right one because it's not stated. And I'd rather not make my own pl list to try and give my opinion on the Broly powerlevel because well, it'd, be worse than the list I just gave.
Although I think saying that Broly is nowhere near Cell(perfect/Super Perfect) or gohan's(SSJ2) power level isn't accurate either. It's the age old debate that gets people's feathers tuffled because the plotholes in the movie.
Still, Given that it took the combined efforts of 3 SSJ(well, what was left of their power), A Super Namek, and Krillin, all rolled into Goku's already SSJ strength, with a(i'll just use the nickname for it) TOEI punch, to even dent Broly, that has something to say about his power. Considering that fact I'd have to say that Brly would take out the Cell Junior with minimal effort.
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Broly would positively OWN one of the Cell Jr, becuase, he would maybe be around SSJ2 Gohan, and SSJ2 Gohan killed the Cell Jrs with only about one to two blows each.
LSSJ Broly>>>>Cell Jr.
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Oh man, this stuff again? Well, despite the fact that Goku and Gohan were not retaining their SSj forms before the fight, they have to be mastered SSjs. Reasons: Gohan was a SSj, and Trunks had long hair. These two FACTS can only lead us to the conclusion that they are all POST-ROSAT. There cannot be a such thing as "Mid-ROSAT", as it is simply impossible. There is only Pre and Post ROSAT. That's all. Also, Goku did not transform into a Mastered SSj upon receiving the last morsel of energy from vegeta. All it was, was a power-up. That's it. I happen to believe though that Goku was already a MSSj prior to receiving all the energy. After the Cell Games, a lot of people are mastered SSjs, [Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, Goten, Trunks] but they dont retain the SSj form all the time do they? No, they dont. So why cant that be the case here, in movie 8?
Also, I believe Broly in Movie 10 is stronger than Powered Up Perfect Cell. Because of these facts: He basically beat SSj Gohan in three hits. And Dabura who is stated to be on equal footing with Powered up Perfect Cell has only a slight advantage over the same SSj Gohan. So we know that Broly can definately kill a Cell Junior, who is only about [well, what some of you guys say to be] as strong as Suppressed Perfect Cell, maybe a tiny stronger. But that's him in Movie 10, a stronger version of the Broly from Movie 8. Considering the fact that Broly pretty much beat SSj Gohan in three moves, he has to be at least on equal footing with Full Power Perfect Cell, in sheer power. Note that this is only from what we see, and is just speculation. It's just about impossible to really tell exactly where Broly stands in power, because it's never really stated, but we can estimate his power from what we see.

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