SSJ3 Goku (Z), Majuub (GT), SSJ3 Gotenks, Mystic Gohan, Janemba, Super Buu (Base) - Page 2

ps2_master94 · 10-12-2008

majuub>gohan>super buu>=ssj3 gotenks>janemba>goku

**Majuub** · 10-12-2008

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Originally Posted by ps2_master94

majuub>gohan>super buu>=ssj3 gotenks>janemba>goku

We go by anime logic...

apocalypse1280 · 10-12-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

SSJ3 Gotenks was actually a match for Shin Buu, while Shin Buu wasn't a match for SSJ3 Goku. Also, when you say Gotenks could have stomped Buu had he been serious all along, it's all speculation. SSJ3 Goku capable of crushing Buu with little to no effort is a stated fact and not an assumption. Shin Buu also told Gohan that he was buying time with Gotenks for Gohan's arrival, that's why he didn't kill SSJ3 Gotenks, he also said that he couldn't accept not to be the strongest(while talking to Gohan) so, according to him SSJ3 Gotenks wasn't stronger than him and only a toy he was using in order to have Gohan beaten once he had absorbed Gotenks.

I've never heard this before, but I'll take your word for it. If you could post some proof, that would be appreciated.

As far as Goku fighting Buu-tenks and Janemba goes, Goku got a lucky shot on Buu while he was distracted attacking Gohan, Buu then appears upside down and smiling, not phased in the least. After that they pretty much go at it and Goku lands nothing on Buu, while Buu lands 5 hits on Goku and had the fusion not wore off inside of Buu while he was rushing at Goku, he would've been fucked, and that fast. Now I'll post this video so you can see how much better Goku did against Janemba when they went at it, landed multiple hits, and I'm not saying they were damaging hits, but you can clearly see how superior Buu-tenks is to Janemba, if not for Janemba's sword and inter-dimensional teleportation.

And yes, it is speculation which just so happens to be my opinion on whether or not Goku would've been able to break Buu's Galactic Donut. I absolutely don't think he would've been able to. Remember, Gohan was outclassed by Buu, but fought decent at first and even managed to make Buu-tenks bleed, while Goku did next to nothing. And I do believe SSJ3 Gotenks would've had Buu beaten from the beginning had he been serious cause he had Buu beaten and was ready to finish him before his fusion wore off. Then when Goten and Trunks' power replenished and they fused again. Gohan was gonna let Gotenks finish Buu, then Buu absorbed Gotenks and that was that. Either way, SSJ3 Gotenks was enough to finish Buu in my and Gohan's opinion.

~~Metallic Rilldo~~ · 10-12-2008

Majuub>>>>>>>>>>>>Janemba>>mystic gohan>ssj3 gotenks>super buu>ssj3 goku

apocalypse1280 · 10-12-2008

I just realized hello92 did add SSJ3 Gotenks to his list. Therefore this post should be deleted.

**Majuub** · 10-13-2008

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Originally Posted by apocalypse1280

I've never heard this before, but I'll take your word for it. If you could post some proof, that would be appreciated.

As far as Goku fighting Buu-tenks and Janemba goes, Goku got a lucky shot on Buu while he was distracted attacking Gohan, Buu then appears upside down and smiling, not phased in the least. After that they pretty much go at it and Goku lands nothing on Buu, while Buu lands 5 hits on Goku and had the fusion not wore off inside of Buu while he was rushing at Goku, he would've been fucked, and that fast. Now I'll post this video so you can see how much better Goku did against Janemba when they went at it, landed multiple hits, and I'm not saying they were damaging hits, but you can clearly see how superior Buu-tenks is to Janemba, if not for Janemba's sword and inter-dimensional teleportation.

And yes, it is speculation which just so happens to be my opinion on whether or not Goku would've been able to break Buu's Galactic Donut. I absolutely don't think he would've been able to. Remember, Gohan was outclassed by Buu, but fought decent at first and even managed to make Buu-tenks bleed, while Goku did next to nothing. And I do believe SSJ3 Gotenks would've had Buu beaten from the beginning had he been serious cause he had Buu beaten and was ready to finish him before his fusion wore off. Then when Goten and Trunks' power replenished and they fused again. Gohan was gonna let Gotenks finish Buu, then Buu absorbed Gotenks and that was that. Either way, SSJ3 Gotenks was enough to finish Buu in my and Gohan's opinion.

Well, will the translated japanese scans do? I don't have the Viz translations but I'm pretty sure a couple of people have it.

Appearantly, Shin Buu was only buying time. It makes a lot of sense since he knew Gohan was coming, had he killed Gotenks, he would have stood absolutely no chance against Gohan. He commented on only Gohan being stronger than me, nothing about Gotenks.

As for the Janemba fight, I suppose this one is let to interpretation. There was a huge difference between the circumstances of these fights. Against Shin Buu(Gotenks absorbed) Goku never attacked once, he never ever charged at Buu, he was only waiting for Gohan to find the second potara. All he done was trying to block and avoid the hits, he only got one opportunity and took it. He had no desire to fight at all. Why would he waste his energy on a lost cause when he could just hold his foe back a little, fuse and then win. Fighting Shin Buu(Gotenks absorbed) all out for Goku would have been suicide, just like it was for Gohan. Not to mention the SSJ3 isn't the easiest form to maintain.

Against Janemba on the other hand, Goku was dead and there was no massive Ki drain, he could dish out power as much as he wanted without losing it. Against Shin Buu(Gotenks absorbed) had he been using full power, he would have worn out even faster than against Chibi Buu. You can also notice that, in that fight, Goku had no other choice but to fight, there was no escape or holding off. The only solution was going all out, either that, or he was fucked completely. Janemba was also pretty much laughing at Goku, he let Goku hit him on purpose so he could toy with him even more. That's why instead of going all out for ownage, he was telporting, blasting Goku with small Ki blasts and instead of killing him with the sword, he sliced and diced the jellybeans. In that fight, Goku was like Gohan, struggling for his survival, they're just like Vegeta, when attacked or menaced, they'll dish out much more power than when they train or just hold back. You can also note that, instead of killing Janemba in Gogeta's base state, they went SSJ. Base Vegeto was already enough to take out Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed). Gogeta musn't be far from Vegeto, if Janemba is weaker than Gohan, Base Gogeta would already be massive overkill. I personally believe Base Gogeta would stomp on Janemba, but not without a fight.

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WombatKombat · 10-13-2008

Reps for that, Majuub, summed up my thoughts completely!

apocalypse1280 · 10-13-2008

@Majuub:

You did good. Thanks for providing the proof I asked for, unlike others. I only have one small question though: I thought it was stated that SSJ Gotenks was stronger then SSJ3 Goku, so how does it work that SSJ3 Goku is somehow stronger then SSJ3 Gotenks? Or the fact that Gotenks, even while fooling around and going from Base, to SSJ, to SSJ3, managed to have Super Buu beaten before his fusion ended? Or that Gohan was gonna let SSJ3 Gotenks finish Buu after Gotenk and Trunks regained their power and fused into SSJ3 Gotenks again? None of that makes sense if Super Buu was stronger then or equal to SSJ3 Gotenks, at least to me. Now I'm not trying to argue, obviously, rather just curious, especially since manga and anime contradict one another sometimes. If the scan you posted wasn't stated in the anime, then I guess that would explain everything. And to be honest I don't wanna say I wouldn't except it being in the GT/Movies(filler) section, but that's why I need to know if that was stated in the anime or not. The DBZ section is strictly manga, and it would count more in a discussion there. But none the less, the info is appreciated. It just sounds like one giant plothole.

All the points you brought up about SSJ3 Goku against Buu-tenks and Janemba are solid, I'll give you that. But fact is Goku did fight better against Janemba then Buu-tenks. And when I said Goku and Buu were going at it, Goku attempted to land a few hits on Buu-tenks, which were easily blocked, while his hits were not easily blocked against Janemba. But he was on the defensive in his fight with Buu, that is true. I still think if Janemba was on Buu-tenks' level, he would have easily blocked Goku's attacks as Buu did. I'd put Janemba slightly weaker then Buu-tenks. Good conversation though.

Gogetto · 10-13-2008

So going by anime logic, SSJ3 Goku>SSJ3 Gotenks?

SSJ4 Vegito · 10-13-2008

Yes, that is correct Gogetto. I've thought of a few solutions to the anime's mix-ups but I'll post something on that later in a seperate thread.

apocalypse1280 · 10-13-2008

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Yes, that is correct Gogetto. I've thought of a few solutions to the anime's mix-ups but I'll post something on that later in a seperate thread.

Please do post something about it because I still believe SSJ3 Gotenks>SSJ3 Goku, manga or anime. I didn't see anything that stated or was shown otherwise.

**Majuub** · 10-14-2008

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Originally Posted by apocalypse1280

Please do post something about it because I still believe SSJ3 Gotenks>SSJ3 Goku, manga or anime. I didn't see anything that stated or was shown otherwise.

I'll try to be as clear as possible by seperating manga and anime(actions, statements)

SSJ Gotenks>Goku: Stated in manga not anime(If so, contradicted countless times)

SSJ3 Gotenks>/=Shin Buu(Appearantly holding back): Showed and stated in manga and anime

Shin Buu(serious)>SSJ3 Gotenks: Stated in manga and anime

SSJ3 Goku>>Shin Buu: Stated in anime only

Shin Buu(Gotenks absorbed)>>Goku and Gohan: Showed in anime only

Shin Buu(Gotenks absorbed)>>Gohan>>Goku: Showed in manga only

Chibi Buu>All previous Buu's: Stated in anime only
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About Gohan willing to let SSJ3 Gotenks finish Buu off, first of all, I'm not even sure where he said that in the manga since he didn't if I recall correctly I don't even remind about the anime, second, SSJ3 Gotenks showed the power to kill Shin Buu, not easily though, so why not letting him have a good fight at full power, third, Gohan was there, so if things go bad, there is a guarantee the kids won't die anyway, fourth, Buu had already taken a severe beating from Gohan, so I don't doubt a beaten Shin Buu would get kicked around by SSJ3 Gotenks. Goku on the other hand relied on no guarantee nor help whatsoever, SSJ3 Gotenks was stronger than Shin Buu, but not to the point of laughing at him. They were in even terms with SSJ3 Gotenks having the slight edge. We can see SSJ3 Gotenks knew he couldn't defeat Shin Buu with ease since he used his most powerful attack(Buu Buu volley-ball) and he admitted that he knew Shin Buu was still alive. In the manga he admited it, not sure about the anme but Shin Buu was still alive and able to fight. Shin Buu even had Piccolo's brain within him and was still scared to fight Goku, had he had Piccolo's intelligence against SSJ3 Gotenks, Gotenks would have lost horribly, also, he was completely recovered from his Gohan beating so, I don't see where you get SSJ3 Gotenks>SSJ3 Goku.

apocalypse1280 · 10-14-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

I don't see where you get SSJ3 Gotenks>SSJ3 Goku.

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Originally Posted by Majuub

SSJ Gotenks>Goku: Stated in manga

As far as Gohan letting SSJ3 Gotenks finish Buu off, whether you remember it or not, definitely happened. SSJ3 Gotenks was even saying that he was stronger then Gohan and that he would prove it now that he was at 100%, and Gohan basically said "don't fool around this time, just make it quick", something along those lines. Remember, Gotenks was Base first, then SSJ, then SSJ3, while fooling around half the time. He still had Buu beaten before the fusion wore off. Not only that, but you can't say "Gohan was there in case Gotenks failed", when the same applies for Goku when Buu turned into Piccolo Buu, Gohan was there with Goku also. Yet, you never mention it. And I understand Goku said "you don't plan to beat me like that, do you". Again, Gohan was still there. And when Gohan found the potara earring, Goku says "forget about it Gohan, there will be no need for us to join bodies anymore". Buu knew he'd be fighting Goku and Gohan, and Gohan alone would obliterate him. Goku's edge is he's a more serious, experienced, and a more complete fighter no doubt, but Gotenks is more powerful for sure.

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