Metallic Rilldo

lord slug is stronger then frieza. not by much but by some.

i will post some certain bullets on different topics to concern.

false ssj- THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FALSE SSJ! It wasd intended to be a ssj but when akari created a ssj, he created it differntly. The flase ssj is just as power as a ssj(frieza saga).

base goku- base was indeed as strong as when he fought final form frieza.

ssj- was as strong as ssj goku on namek.

frieza 100%- WAS NOT STRONGER THEN A SSJ! he was weaker, not by a lot, but by some.

lord slug- easily pounded base goku with minmum effort. then he got his but handed to him by SSJ GOKU! that was, until he transfformed.

lord slug(giant)- he was able to easily knock base goku away. He used about 1% of his power doing this. Lord slug has 1 weakness and that is his ears. but of course, frieza is not namekian so he would not know this.

spirit bomb: some might say" but frieza was able to survive the spirit bomb". lord slug could have survived the spirit bomb but he was weakend A LOT by the wistling(stupid gohan).


conclusion: so i would say lord slug(giant) is greater or equal to frieza from this.


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WombatKombat

Personally, I see Suraggo Daiamou ( Kyodai-Ka ) equalling Second Suppression Furizaa at best, maybe First Suppression but I believe that's pushing it. How the fuck is Kaiou-sama suppose to know how strong Furizaa actually is, he shits himself everytime he saw him transform and claiming it's the end of the world and all that jazz. Besides, the Daizenshuu clearly states the Movie 4 SSJ as '' Giji Supa Saiya-Jin '' so yeah, it is different.

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Madness

Proof?

Proof?

Proof?

Actually, he was. He fought evenly with Goku for a long time before finally succumbing to his energy drain.

1%? Is this stated?

Proof?

*Sigh* you need a lot of proof in order for us to accept this. It's just assumptions. For example, where's your proof that Goku was as strong as he was on Namek Post-Zenkai?

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Metallic Rilldo

i have gave my proof. that whole thread was proof! re-read

Madness

No, there is no proof at all there.

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the writers said so!

WombatKombat

If anything, I'd say that Gokuu's at his Ginyu Sentai level at this point, given that Pikkoro could actually kill one of the henchmen and he definitely has no Neiru-fusion gonig on, and if Gokuu's in the 3,000,000's.... Suraggo must be an absolute dumbass to even bother with goons, he'd take on Furizaa himself. Basically:

Son Gokuu ( Movie 4 )
Base: 90,000
Kaiou-Ken: 180,000
KK X10: 900,000
Giji Supa Saiya-Jin ( 25X, half of the true SSJ multipler ): 2,250,000
Genki Dama: 5,000,000 - 9,000,000 ( Anyplace between those two PLs is reasonable enough in power )

Suraggo Daiamou
Elderly: 95,000 ( Suraggo stated that Gokuu might've stood a chance against him at this point )
Eternal Youth: 950,000
Kyodai-Ka ( 2X, even though that's a problem in itslef seeing as how the transformation is supposed to only give a size advantage, silly TOEI... ): 1,900,000

Then...

Furizaa
Third Suppression: 530,000
Second Supression: 1,060,000
First Suppression: 2,120,000
Shinsei Katachi/True Form
5%: 7,500,000
50%: 75,000,000
70%: 105,000,000
100%: 150,000,000

Furizaa actually only has a small advantage in his First Suppression in my calcs, but still enough to pull out a win and still be alive in my books. Shinsei Katachi is plain overkill, be it 5% or 100%.

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Zer0

Those are my thoughts. Yep, nothing conclusive about them at all.

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Metallic Rilldo

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Well this is what we know.

Base Goku could have been anywhere from his touchdown on Namek level to his Freeza fight level.

Young Slug said Goku might have had a chance against Old Slug.

Young Slug slapped base Goku around like an infant.

"Super Saiyan" Goku was going to kill Slug if he hadn't snapped out of it.

Super Slug was stated by King Kai to be stronger than Freeza (who knows what form) and "perhaps even a Super Saiyan".

A weakened base Goku with Ki lended from a weakened Piccolo managed to charge through Super Slug's chest with a "Kaio-Ken".

The movie was approximately released when Goku went Super Saiyan in the Manga and when Freeza was revealing his true form in the Anime.
i think the kaioken goku went was x20 or x100 due to the immense aruor!


my powerlevels:

frieza form 1: 530,000
form 2: 1,200,000
form 3: 2,050,000
form 4(1%): 1,200,000
form 4(50%) 12,000,000
100%: 120,000,000

old slug: 2,500,000
new slug: 13,000,000
gaint slug: 120,500,000-130,000,000

goku: 3,000,000
ssj: 150,000,000

Madness

...no. x20 would've fucked him up.

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The writers had yet to see Freeza at 100% of his power.

Movie 04: Lord Slug
-Released between Anime episodes 82 ("Attack, Goku!! An Enraged Frieza's Second Transformation") and 83 ( "Fear Me!! Frieza Does Battle with a Third Transformation").
-Released around Manga chapter 318 (The Legendary Super Saiyan).

As stated in the Dragonball Toei FAQ, Freeza's full power had not been displayed yet so it is likely that Lord Slug's power is based off of the form of Freeza that Toei had been working with at that point in time. According to when Movie 4 was released that puts Slug at Freeza's Second Suppression at best. Lord Slug is probably only stronger than Freeza's Third Suppression as that would be the form Kaio-sama (and Toei) is most familiar with.

At best Lord Slug could be stronger than Freeza at 50% of his power but this is rather unlikely.

Also the "Super Saiya-jin" form displayed could not be the same power as the true Super Saiya-jin form in the series because Piccolo's Ki + Son Goku's Ki multiplied by Kaioken being greater than Super Saiya-jin Goku does not add up. It was shown that Son Goku with Piccolo's Ki and Kaioken could pierce Lord Slug where "Super Saiya-jin" Son Goku did not injure Slug very much (comparatively).

Using Daizenshuu numbers (and a rough estimate of Piccolo) even if Son Goku was at Freeza battle strength he could not have pierced Slug like that if Slug was stronger than Freeza's 100%.

Son Goku: 3,000,000
Piccolo: 1,000,000 (I hope everyone knows where this estimation comes from)
Son Goku + Piccolo: 4,000,000
Son Goku + Piccolo (Kaioken): 8,000,000
Son Goku + Piccolo (Kaioken x10): 40,000,000
Son Goku + Piccolo (Kaioken x20): 80,000,000
(Just doing the most likely levels)
Freeza 100%: 120,000,000
Super Saiya-jin Son Goku: 150,000,000

I know the Daizenshuu numbers are not 100% accurate but I think they prove my point that Lord Slug is not stronger than Freeza. I would also like to point out that Piccolo and Son Goku were not in the best condition at the point that Piccolo gave his Ki so odds are Son would not be at that level even.

SSJ4 Vegito

First of all alot of this is assumptions. Gohan wasn't whisling when Goku (Kaio-ken, w/Piccolo's Power) punched a hole in him. Secondly you might be right about the "No FSSJ" thing but the Deizenshuu states other things so you MIGHT have something here but Goku owned slug and broke his arm, basically owning Slug worse than Slug owned him.

At the 23rd Budokai Piccolo's Giant form didn't give him much of a Power increase if at all. So why would Slug have one? In fact his performance wasn't any better against Base Goku.

So I just can't agree with this theory.

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That would imply a rather large increase, to go from being completely outmatched to being possibly stronger.

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Metallic Rilldo

slug: 4,000,000
goku: 3,000,000
super slug: 130,000,000
ssj goku: 150,000,000
super slug(w/ hole in him): 100,000,000
suer slug(with whistling): 50,000,000
spirit bomb: 75,000,000
frieza 100%: 120,000,000

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