Lord Slug's strength

SSJ4 Vegito · 07-02-2008

How strong is he approximatly? I've heard people say he's around 50% Freiza and some say he is around 2nd Form Freiza. How strong is he? I honestly don't know where to place him.

**Zer0** · 07-02-2008

Well this is what we know.

Base Goku could have been anywhere from his touchdown on Namek level to his Freeza fight level.

Young Slug said Goku might have had a chance against Old Slug.

Young Slug slapped base Goku around like an infant.

"Super Saiyan" Goku was going to kill Slug if he hadn't snapped out of it.

Super Slug was stated by King Kai to be stronger than Freeza (who knows what form) and "perhaps even a Super Saiyan".

A weakened base Goku with Ki lended from a weakened Piccolo managed to charge through Super Slug's chest with a "Kaio-Ken".

The movie was approximately released when Goku went Super Saiyan in the Manga and when Freeza was revealing his true form in the Anime.

Broly · 07-02-2008

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Before we decide Slug’s power, we must first calculate Goku’s power level. There is somewhat of a split congregation here in MFG. One side says Goku is 90,000, just like he was first arriving on Namek. The other portion seems to think he’s at the 3,000,000 mark, which is where he stood whilst fighting Freeza for the first time. Now, the only way I can think of determining whether he was one power level or the other is by the fact he transformed into a Super Saiyan. In order to achieve such a feat you’d have to be above the 1,000,000 mark for sure. And the reason why I assert this is because it’s not shown otherwise that one could become an SSj without be at said level point. So we will continue with this train of thought. However, disregarding this notion, there is no reason to not think Goku could be at 90,000. But, it’s because he turned Super Saiyan that I believe he was more towards the 3,000,000 mark. Although, personally, I’d down place him to the 2 million mark because some early Z movies seem to depict the story characters as a weaker version than their original story-line counterpart. For instance, Goku having a 30,000^ power level in Movie 3... So let’s just say he was at 2,000,000, just to be somewhat safe. Since we’re now going by this, we can continue to move further.

From what we saw of Slug [prime], he’s able to dust said Goku. Depending on your personal view, Slug could be anywhere from 1.33x – 2.5x Gokus power. But because of Slug’s performance, and taking into account the manner of his effort during his performance, I’d personally say he was around double Goku’s power, perhaps more. I’d place Slug [prime] around 5,000,000. Deciding his power level in his Giant state is more complicated however. By the time Goku was first beaten down by Slug, and had made a Super Saiyan transformation, his power level should have gone down at least a million, maybe more considering Goku’s poor ki performance at the time. But we’ll simply say he was 1.2 million at the point of Slug’s Giant transformation. We don’t know Slug’s Giant state’s power level, but there are people who think it’s a ten time increase from his initial state. I have never heard of that in the series, so I will not use that as a reference. We saw in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai that Piccolo had also increased his size, but Goku picked him up by the finger and flipped him, so if there was an actual increase in PL it wouldn’t be much or anything close enough to call Slug’s technique an actual transformation of power. So, I’m of the opinion that Slug never actually increased his power level when he turned Giant. The technique is used to plainly overwhelm the opponent. I’m pretty sure it’s never stated or implied his level of power increased. And this will make more sense in relation to his defeat later in the feature.

Now here’s the hard part. The movie shows Lord Slug [Giant] being defeated by a combined Piccolo and Goku. If my rough calculation of Goku’s injured PL is correct, then I believe Slug’s defeat could actually make sense. Slug’s power level had to decrease to around half power after his due beating from SSj Goku, his regeneration, and his scrapping with Goku while in Giant form. So, from his supposed power level of 5,000,000, he would fall to 2.5 million, thus giving room for Goku and Piccolo to make a plan that would actually work to defeat him. Once Goku [1.2 mill] and Piccolo [whom I believe to be around the same level, 1 mill] make a combined assault [that Socom game rocks by the way], they easily rip through Slug using the Kaioken to max out their performance. Their added power, plus the Kaoiken, would equate to something around 4,000,000, which I think would be enough to wound Slug the way they did. 4,000,000 is greater than 2,500,000. Here’s what’s cool. The combined powers of Goku & Piccolo, in the way I calculated it, would be 1.6x Slug’s [Giant] power, explaining the current quandary.

Evil Vegeta · 07-02-2008

I think Slug is around Freeza's first form power in his young form. Once he transforms, Kaio stated that his power may be greater then Freeza's or a Super Saiyan, so I think he would be around Freeza's third form power by this point.

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In order to achieve such a feat you’d have to be above the 1,000,000 mark for sure.

Why is that? Trunks power level could've been well below that.

Broly · 07-02-2008

I doubt it was, being trained by Gohan an all. As for the estimation itself, it's just an educated guess. Goku reached Super Saiyan at 3,000,000, so it would seem the base power required for the transformation wouldn't be any less than 1,000,000. I could be wrong though.

Devilz · 07-02-2008

Future Trunks seems to have reached SSJ with a base form way less than a million.

Broly · 07-02-2008

And so I ask you, how do you know?

Dupe of USSJed · 07-02-2008

Vegeta was SSJ capable when Trunks was concieved?

Devilz · 07-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Broly

And so I ask you, how do you know?

Because he's shown sparring evenly with Base Future Gohan.

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Originally Posted by USSJed

Vegeta was SSJ capable when Trunks was concieved?

Maybe not, since he wouldn't train nearly as hard as he would have if he didn't know the androids were coming. And we don't know when Vegeta first turns SSJ, so it's a blind guess.

Broly · 07-02-2008

So... This is took place many years after Goku died. Gohan could be around 50,000,000 at base.

Devilz · 07-02-2008

SSJ Future Gohan wasn't anywhere close to Goku in his timeline, and he said that Trunks would surpass him soon. And Trunks was stated to have the same "chi" as Goku on Namek (he'd be in that range anyway). So how strong do you expect him to be?

Evil Vegeta · 07-02-2008

Gohan's base was nowhere near tha level. If Gohan was that strong, and you give him at least a 10x muiltiplier, he kicks the crap out of either Android, using minimum or full-power. Both seemed very weak, so there's no reason why Trunks would have to be over a million just to reach SSJ.

If Gohan was that strong, you think Trunks would only get a 20x increase, assuming he would be at 40,000,000 in SSJ? Gohan wasn't even givin any effort.

SSJ4 Vegito · 07-02-2008

I see but in the anime it was changed to Trunks reaching SSJ after Gohan died. Since this Movie is anime based I think we should go by the anime version. I mean at least at the time of the Movie that version of Trunks wasn't seen yet, was it? So Toei might have assumed you had to have a certain PL to go SSJ. I don't know it's just a thought.

Broly · 07-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Devilz

SSJ Future Gohan wasn't anywhere close to Goku in his timeline, and he said that Trunks would surpass him soon. And Trunks was stated to have the same "chi" as Goku on Namek (he'd be in that range anyway). So how strong do you expect him to be?

So you think he was around 100,000 when he transformed?

Devilz · 07-03-2008

Yup, probably somewhere around that range.

07-02-2008	#1 (permalink)
SSJ4 Vegito (26) Great Elder of Namek Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4,482 Rep Power: 138	Lord Slug's strength How strong is he approximatly? I've heard people say he's around 50% Freiza and some say he is around 2nd Form Freiza. How strong is he? I honestly don't know where to place him.

07-02-2008	#2 (permalink)
Zer0 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hn, None of your business Posts: 10,193 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 148	Re: Lord Slug's strength Well this is what we know. Base Goku could have been anywhere from his touchdown on Namek level to his Freeza fight level. Young Slug said Goku might have had a chance against Old Slug. Young Slug slapped base Goku around like an infant. "Super Saiyan" Goku was going to kill Slug if he hadn't snapped out of it. Super Slug was stated by King Kai to be stronger than Freeza (who knows what form) and "perhaps even a Super Saiyan". A weakened base Goku with Ki lended from a weakened Piccolo managed to charge through Super Slug's chest with a "Kaio-Ken". The movie was approximately released when Goku went Super Saiyan in the Manga and when Freeza was revealing his true form in the Anime. __________________ Want a colored username? Then check out the Weekly Naruto & Bleach Caption Contests.

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Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: Lord Slug's strength quote Before we decide Slug’s power, we must first calculate Goku’s power level. There is somewhat of a split congregation here in MFG. One side says Goku is 90,000, just like he was first arriving on Namek. The other portion seems to think he’s at the 3,000,000 mark, which is where he stood whilst fighting Freeza for the first time. Now, the only way I can think of determining whether he was one power level or the other is by the fact he transformed into a Super Saiyan. In order to achieve such a feat you’d have to be above the 1,000,000 mark for sure. And the reason why I assert this is because it’s not shown otherwise that one could become an SSj without be at said level point. So we will continue with this train of thought. However, disregarding this notion, there is no reason to not think Goku could be at 90,000. But, it’s because he turned Super Saiyan that I believe he was more towards the 3,000,000 mark. Although, personally, I’d down place him to the 2 million mark because some early Z movies seem to depict the story characters as a weaker version than their original story-line counterpart. For instance, Goku having a 30,000^ power level in Movie 3... So let’s just say he was at 2,000,000, just to be somewhat safe. Since we’re now going by this, we can continue to move further. From what we saw of Slug [prime], he’s able to dust said Goku. Depending on your personal view, Slug could be anywhere from 1.33x – 2.5x Gokus power. But because of Slug’s performance, and taking into account the manner of his effort during his performance, I’d personally say he was around double Goku’s power, perhaps more. I’d place Slug [prime] around 5,000,000. Deciding his power level in his Giant state is more complicated however. By the time Goku was first beaten down by Slug, and had made a Super Saiyan transformation, his power level should have gone down at least a million, maybe more considering Goku’s poor ki performance at the time. But we’ll simply say he was 1.2 million at the point of Slug’s Giant transformation. We don’t know Slug’s Giant state’s power level, but there are people who think it’s a ten time increase from his initial state. I have never heard of that in the series, so I will not use that as a reference. We saw in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai that Piccolo had also increased his size, but Goku picked him up by the finger and flipped him, so if there was an actual increase in PL it wouldn’t be much or anything close enough to call Slug’s technique an actual transformation of power. So, I’m of the opinion that Slug never actually increased his power level when he turned Giant. The technique is used to plainly overwhelm the opponent. I’m pretty sure it’s never stated or implied his level of power increased. And this will make more sense in relation to his defeat later in the feature. Now here’s the hard part. The movie shows Lord Slug [Giant] being defeated by a combined Piccolo and Goku. If my rough calculation of Goku’s injured PL is correct, then I believe Slug’s defeat could actually make sense. Slug’s power level had to decrease to around half power after his due beating from SSj Goku, his regeneration, and his scrapping with Goku while in Giant form. So, from his supposed power level of 5,000,000, he would fall to 2.5 million, thus giving room for Goku and Piccolo to make a plan that would actually work to defeat him. Once Goku [1.2 mill] and Piccolo [whom I believe to be around the same level, 1 mill] make a combined assault [that Socom game rocks by the way], they easily rip through Slug using the Kaioken to max out their performance. Their added power, plus the Kaoiken, would equate to something around 4,000,000, which I think would be enough to wound Slug the way they did. 4,000,000 is greater than 2,500,000. Here’s what’s cool. The combined powers of Goku & Piccolo, in the way I calculated it, would be 1.6x Slug’s [Giant] power, explaining the current quandary. __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

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Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: Lord Slug's strength I doubt it was, being trained by Gohan an all. As for the estimation itself, it's just an educated guess. Goku reached Super Saiyan at 3,000,000, so it would seem the base power required for the transformation wouldn't be any less than 1,000,000. I could be wrong though. __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

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Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: Lord Slug's strength And so I ask you, how do you know? __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

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Dupe of USSJed (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 7,705 Rep Power: 202	Re: Lord Slug's strength Vegeta was SSJ capable when Trunks was concieved? __________________ DBZ RPG Accepting new entrants! Must be active every day, at some point between 10am and 6pm New Zealand Time(+13), and willing to take the RPG seriously. 9 out of 10 MFGers thing that Orancello is SSJJason. If you are one of the 1 in 10 that don't, copy this and put it in your sig. Accepted Character Races. Android(#8, can upgrade later), Alien(Custom), Bio Android(Cell type), Changeling(Frieza), Demon, Human, Kaioshin, Namekian. Others conditionally. No Saiyans and Hybrids, sorry.

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Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: Lord Slug's strength So... This is took place many years after Goku died. Gohan could be around 50,000,000 at base. __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

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SSJ4 Vegito (26) Great Elder of Namek Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4,482 Rep Power: 138	Re: Lord Slug's strength I see but in the anime it was changed to Trunks reaching SSJ after Gohan died. Since this Movie is anime based I think we should go by the anime version. I mean at least at the time of the Movie that version of Trunks wasn't seen yet, was it? So Toei might have assumed you had to have a certain PL to go SSJ. I don't know it's just a thought.