SSJBulma

One could argue that that was for his own selfish needs. He needed gohans help.

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LegendaryBroli

well I don't really think that's true since it seemed as gohan got older it seemed vegeta respected gohan more than Goku

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Madness

No. The "pure of heart" stuff became as dated as the "Legendary Super Saiyan" thing. Suddenly, everyone's a Super Saiyan! Not so "Legendary" anymore is it...

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Tyrant

The idea of the Super Saiyan kinda faded away when everybody started ascending to that level.

thechosen_1

That is true, at first nobody knew anything about the Super Saiyan transformation, it was a mystery. So I can see why they would say that at first. But I think Broly pure hatred for Goku, was the inspiration for Broly going Super Saiyan.

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JC#1

1. Vegeta found a 2nd way for people who aren't pure hearted.
2. He's not just ss, he's the lss, so it kinda gives an exception. Once every whatever years there is the legendary super saiyan. I think Akira meant for Goku to be the lss at the end of the Freeza saga, but then it went on into the android saga, and then there's the Broly movie which gave a difference between ss and lss, when they used to be the same thing.

SuperSaiyanJERICHO

basicly the super saiyan form was wasted at android saga

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SSJBulma

I still think that being pure is the opposite of what you need to become a SSJ originally, at least according to the anime.
Goku became a SSJ when his rage just hit boiling point and paired with his increased PL.
He couldn't ride the Nimbus for a while or something because of the inpurity caused by Freeza destruction.

The only way purity would make sense is because we haven't seen any SSJ, at least that we know of according to Vegeta before Goku.
So it makes sense that none of them turned SSJ cos they were blood-thirsty warriors and that's not exactly a trait of purity.

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LegendaryBroli

Well if you think about it though as blood-thristy as they were, they were very honor-bound. As pictured in movie 8 King vegeta wanted broly died because he felt threatened that if Broly were to live it would look bad on his family. So it was a sense of honor there. So maybe there were somewhat pure if they had a sense of honor.

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Madness

JC, Broly USED the SSJ form. Your argument is flawed =/

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SSJBulma

Hmm honour and purity are very different things. It doesn't matter how much respect you show one, when you kill them the purity is definately out the window.

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Madness

Yup, honour and purity are two waaaaaay different things.

But, purity is relative, which means it depends on context and perspective. They were being "pure" as Saiyans when they exhibited ruthless attitudes.

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SSJBulma

Well the didn't need to be pure saiyans in the sense that there blood was saiyan blood alone.
Cos well...every saiyan after Goku and Vegeta botched that up.

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Eragon

Isn't the japanese definition of pure very different than the western one? I vaguely remember someone here mentioning something about it, such as how in Western culture, killing in general wouldn't be cosidered pure hearted, but in Japanese culture, killing for a good reason was(hence why Goku was still able to use the Nimbus).

I'm not 100% on that, but if so, doesn't that affect the definition of 'pure hearted' alá saiyan transformation?

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Chariking

Gohan, Goten and Trunks became SSJ not because they had pure hearts. They inherited the SSJ stage from their fathers.

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