Yondaime Uzumaki

USSJed

Thats a big ask.... I only remember something about Gohan turning SSJ when he couldnt any more?

Ames

There are hundreds... One that always stuck out to me was that Emperor Pilaf returned. In DBZ, Vegeta only wished for the good guys to come back, meaning if Pilaf would have gone to heaven, he shouldn't have come back.

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USSJed

Goku becomes an adult when SSJ4. Hell, that series has plotholes abound

Yondaime Uzumaki

Yeah I know, Pilaf should have been dead.

yellowsky

Yeah, there are certainly a lot of plotholes, but sometimes, I think some can be mistakened easily as plotholes.
E.g: In the Baby/Dr Myuu saga, if we didn't learn Trunks and Giro worked together and just saw the metal version of Trunks broken off and the actual Trunks stepping out, we would automatically assume it an obvious plothole.

I am not saying DBGT is amazing(as we all agree, it's totally not, quite below average) but again, I am not also saying it sucked big time (i.e one of the worst ever anime), but it's not too.

About the Pilaf one, that can be quite easily solved. Pilaf, Shu and Mai are not actually "evil" in the sense of of being ruthless. they are just greedy, like the Money Family from movie 9(who got resurrected). So In other words, only people who are evil at heart are probably sent to hell.
I mean, what Pilaf wants? - To rule the univers - that's not really an evil wish but rather a greedy one, it's the same as Yamcha's wish of wanting a lot of money.

I think the reason for an adult sized SSJ4 Goku is so he can fuse with Vegeta. it certainly is a plothole(not just in DBGT but in many other animes) I guess we can assume that the black star dragon only limited Goku's size in all the forms he's in, but because SSJ4 is a new form he achieved after the wish, he can be back to his normal self.. I know this doesn't sound logical in real life but this"limitation thing" have appeared in lots of other animes too.
So I guess we can count this "limitation" thing one of the law of the anime universe, maybe? XD

And about Gohan turning SSJ, yeah, that is really strange, but I guess we can assume that he lost his mystic power after all these time? ^^;;; it has been about 20 years afterall!


There are quite a lot of plotholes nevertheless but it is possible for us to think around them and coming up with possible explanations.

Xyex

Five years, actually. Because he still had the 'Mystic' power-up at the tournament at the end of Z. You can see it in the way Toriyama drew him, such as the closed eyes as opposed to the normal open eyes. And there's only five years between Z and GT so... yeah, no real time to lose the power. Plus the fact there's never any hint to it being temporary. Toei just dropped it so that Goku could be the strongest again~

As for the Goku thing the theory I like best for that is that the Dragon can only effect those weaker than itself. Goku through SSJ3 is simply weaker than the Dragon of the Black Star balls. SSJ4 Goku, however, is stronger, thus the Dragon's magic can't work on him. Would have made more sense if SSJ4 and broken the spell completely instead of switching back and forth, though.

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SaiyajinPerfection

There's actually an unspecified amount of time. I've heard three different time periods between Z and GT. I've heard 10, 7, and 5. The truth is, no one fuckin knows. GT is so bad, that even the plotholes have plotholes. The first one that I am going to point out is the reason to this, since this character below shouldn't have been alive, the rest of GT (or what we know of it) wouldn't have happened. Simply because the actions of this character cause the chain reaction of events that we know as GT.

Pilaf being alive: Vegeta specified that he didn't want the evil people to come back when Porunga was asked to restore everyone's lives. Just because Pilaf is a weak gag character doesn't make him any less evil than Freeza or Cell.

Gohan's SSj ability: Gohan's "Mystic" powerup was the awakening and release of all his dormant ki. The reason why he couldn't turn Super Saiyan anymore in Z was because he didn't have anymore dormant ki to tap into in order to produce the transformation. This state of unhindered ability should've stayed with him for the rest of his life because of the fact that his natural body would then have no more reserves left, but we see with GT, that is not the case.

Black Star Dragon Balls: There are actually two plotholes concerning this.
1)No one knew about them, not even Piccolo (their supposed creator), so how could Pilaf even know about them?
2) Bulma's radar never detected them before Pilaf used them. It's proven that all Dragon Balls give off the same signal because the Radar could be used on Planet Namek without Bulma needing to modify the radar. There's no reason why the Black Star ones should've been any different.

Goku's tail: It was stated that it was removed, not shrank. Therefore his tail existing in GT is a plothole. De-aging Goku shouldn't automatically reverse all the physical things that had happened to him (such as his tail being removed). If that were the case, then Goku wouldn't be able to transform into a Super Saiyan or any variation of that form.

Super Saiyans Goku and Vegeta Jr: It's stated in the Daizenshuu that people with less than half heritage can't transform into Super Saiyans because their blood is too diluted. Goku and Vegeta Jr are distant descendants of Vegeta and Goku, therefore their blood is far too diluted to conjure a transformation.

Abnormal physical power of the Tuffles: The Tuffles weren't a warrior race, that's how they were able to be overpowered by primative Saiyans. Also primative Saiyans were nowhere near as powerful as Goku and Vegeta, therefor Dr Myuu and Bebi being as powerful as they are in GT doesn't make any sense.

Bra and Pan's age difference: It's too drasitc in GT, at the end of Z, they are roughly the same age. Bra in GT appears quite a bit older than Pan in GT.

There are more, but I'm too lazy to point them out at this time.

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The mystic gohan one is the bigest plothole ever

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yellowsky

@Xyex:
Yeah, simpler way, I like that explanation. =D

@SaiyajinPerfection:
Hmmm, let's see...

Well, I've just explained it in my previous post. You have to tackle this problem using the "fantasy laws" of anime (i.e.: Don't apply extreme realitily deductions and reasons, for example: nobody can fly in reality).
So the same applies here.

Errm, you know that nothing is ever permanent? The "unlocking" of his hidden powers is like a technique, or should I say something learnt, so when someone do not keep using something, they start to disprove. I think that was the aim.
And how many years has it been? I think it's roughly 20(9-10 after defeating buu and 10 after Goku trains Uub and another year as the gang serached for the black star dragonballs), anyways, it has been a long time you see. So just because you can tap into your power before, doesn't mean you can always be at that level. E.g: I bet you don't remember half of the stuff you've learnt in primary school, right? ^__~.
And even though it's like a "unlocking" of one's power, it's experienced by the body rather than embedded in one's genes.
But yeah, it does sound like a plothole but I guess it was made so Goku can "shine" (which i don't like either).

1)I think in the first episode, Pilaf said he spend the rest of the time he has been "absent"(absent from the show?) to research for the balls or something. Nevertheless, just because something is suppose to be unknown, it doesn't mean nobody would know about it or having the chance of discovering them. May be pilaf have been up the look-out a few times before..who knows...it's one fo the Toei's weird idea thing again.
2)Yeah, but the place the balls are kept are under somekind of special cloth/altar thing. And in the original Dragonball series, we've all learnt that the dragon radar cannot detect any dragonballs when they are "absorbed/eaten/completely sealed away" remember?

Ah, removed, but completely genetically removed? ^__~. yes, you can prevent something from growing but you can't genetically remove it as the gene is part of every cell in your DNA.
Remember the supreme Kais suppose to have amazing powers (like unlocking hidden powers..^__~). And afterall, when Goku started to ground the coffee beans(suppose the grounder is magical), he felt his tail-bone started to itch, i.e: started to grow again.

Hmm, yeah I know. May be Toei just wanted to show super saiyans before GT ended, but failed.XD Lol.
personally, I am not sure if the Daizenshuu really is(other than it's like a DB encyclopedia.XD) but yeah, a scary plothole (unless Toei decided to introduce secret saiyans during those few decades lol..XD).

Actually, somewhere in GT or a DBZ movie(can't remember, sorry), we learnt that the Tuffles and Saiyans apparantly are similar race except for the saiyans are more like savages and the Truffles are more "scientific" minded. They took over the planet and named it Vegeta.
Anyways, Just because their ancesters were quite weak, it doesn't mean all of them stays weak as time passes. The saiyans became stronger so why can't the Tuffles evolve too? Afterall, we human evolved and became more intelligent and "powerful"..^__~.
Furthermore, we know how human are so weak compared to Saiyans, but Android 18 was originall a human and was turned into an android by Dr. Gero so we can only assume the same thing - these creatures can be "powered-up" through technology and power.

Errrm, actually, Bra is two years older than Pan. And yeah, i see what you mean but remember in dragonball, we have a simiar thing with Goku. Goku didn't even grow throughout the early-half of Dragonball until 3 years after his training in the wild when all the cahracters gathered for the Tournament that he changed drastically - he used to be less than half of Bulma's height and suddenly became taller than Bulma in just roughly 3 years!
So anyways, it's character proportions, it's hard to draw very small height differences in animes, so let's just sympathise Toei's effort..XD [Even though I agree, it's a plothole. =D, but that's Toei for you.]


Well, yeah, I agree, there are more plotholes but some, like these here can be explained. :)

remixremix

Not forgetting baby ozaru not being abel to blow up the earth with the galik gun.

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apocalypse1280

OMG! Another "GT plothole" thread. Why can't people get over it and understand that GT has maybe a couple plotholes, just like DBZ had plotholes. It is what it is.

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yellowsky

@apocalypse1280:
Agreed. And tbh, I don't really want to say this earlire (of fear that I might offend some of you guys) but this is the real truth...
DBGT actually have relatively less plotholes than many other animes and I dare say the number is actually smaller than DBZ's.

SSJ4 Vegito

GT has plotholes I'll name some:

1. Base Kid Goku being able to take all those moves from Omega Shenron.
2. Gohan, Trunks & Goten being so weak and yet their able to take hits from the main villins pretty well.
3. 2 Android 17s fused being able to do anything to Goku & the others.

Also aren't there like 20 of these threads already?

remixremix

LEAVE GT ALONEEEEEEE

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