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No. His name was Demon King Piccolo. His offspring before Piccolo Jr which include Drum, Piano, and Tambourine, were all made to look like Demons, with wings and everything. Then all of a sudden he's an alien from the planet Namek, and no other Namekian ever looked the way Drum, Piano or Tambourine looked after that revelation. Plothole.

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SSJ4 Vegito

Not nearly as much as you think. I can find a perfectly reasonable answer for most of those.

1. This one might be just about the only one I can't answer.
2. Vegeta didn't lose control he was having fun he even stated to Goku while he gripped him that he never lost control (He said it in the Japanese version)
3. The Super 17 Thing, well first off it was never stated that the Android 17 (Made in Hell) had the same Power as the Android before. We see Android 17 fighting evenly with Base Vegeta (GT) then apply that to Fusion and he starts off pretty strong but isn't nearly as strong as Super Saiyan Vegito right off the bat. HOWEVER he absorbs many energy attacks and it took him the rest of the way.
4. I explained that already in #3.
5. Who said Piccolo didn't know about them? He wasn't there when they first appeared, and also Piccolo chooses to die so that the Black star Dragon Balls are too dangerous and without him, they wouldn't exist anymore.
6. That might be another unanswered one.
7. What's wrong with that? Fusion creates Clothes. Now you'll say "It's magic" yet in DBZ when Goku went SSJ3 it consumed all of the time he had on earth. He was able to stay there because of Baba's magic. So since SSJ3 is related with the magic Baba used to bring Goku back, I don't see why SSJ4 couldn't produce clothing.
8. Vegeta doesn't grow his tail back it's merely a side-effect of the him transforming into an Oozaru. When he goes back to normal he doesn't have it anymore so what you saw was basically just the process of Vegeta transforming into the Great Ape. Plus Vegeta's tail wasn't permanantly removed he even said after he recovered that it would grow back, so that's a plothole in Z right there. Also Vegeta as I said didn't retain his tail after he reverted to normal.
9. Akira said that but he later confessed that he only said she (Pan) couldn't transform at that time because, he couldn't come up with a design for a female SSJ. So that to me is withdrawing the whole "Diluted Blood" thing. Plus Pan was conceived when Gohan had his Latent Power up so she doesn't get the SSJ Gene like Goten & Trunks supposedly do, she'd have to become extremely mad. Goku Jr. was put in that situation but he could only retain the form for a little while, he callapsed right after he beat the Demon guy. However he later entered the Tournament (And Supposedly due to training remained in SSJ Form easier).
10. That was Goku's Intension, however Toei merely changed the Plot and besides we don't know what happened with Uub in the 100 year break. Plus he fused with Buu and became stronger than Goku's SSJ3 Form and he was just a Teenager (Or he might be 20, but still young).
11. Yeah, first of all Akira always made his characters as strong as he wanted them to be, so what's wrong with Toei doing the same thing? Goku trained with Uub (We don't know exactly what training he did either) so really I don't see the Problem. Plus Goku went from "Over 8,000" to 90,000 in 6 days in the Manga. So I don't see anything wrong, but I would have preferred it differently.
12. Did Goku even try to get out? Besides Vegeta had a mean look on his face but when he releases Goku, is Goku hurt? No he doesn't have one extra scratch on him (Since he was fighting Omega and was already scratched up). Secondly Goku was outmatched by Omega Shenron he couldn't beat him, if Goku were to "Pwn Vegeta" what hope would be left? Plus just the fact that Goku was perfectly fine once Vegeta stopped "Having Fun" Goku didn't have any damage.
13. Okay, first off this wasn't a series long Plothole (In fact it's not a plothole but I'll get to that later). Does this happen ANYWHERE, ANYTIME in DBGT? NO, it was ONE TIME (Maybe for Drama). Every other time he does it he performs it just like he usually performs any Kamehameha. Now the reason why this isn't a plothole is because, Goku just gathered the energy and THEN Focused it into a SINGLE POINT it wasn't "DOUBLE-POINTED" the whole time, he focused the 2 weaker points into One Single more powerful point right before he fired the 10x Kamehameha. Also once Goku got adept at handling the Kamehameha x10 better (When it became red) he Never once even combined 2 Single Points into 1 ever again.
14. This seemed like the case in the anime of DBZ. In fact there were alot of instances were Vegeta looked taller. Plus when Goku & Vegeta (Both SSJ4) were standing beside eachother Goku was clearly taller.
15. First of all Omega Shenron had a big smile on his face majority of the time during his fight with Goku & Vegeta. Also the whole "1.3x times difference" is inconsistent in DBZ aswell. 50% Freiza had a Pissed off expression on his face when he charged a weary Base Goku shortly after he got hit with the Kaioken x20+ Kamehameha so there goes that whole "1.3x difference" in fact that's almost never applied in later Episodes of DBZ so why should GT be any different?
16. Don't know, but if people are going to be THAT picky then why did any of these guys bother watching all these episodes of GT, if it was SOOOO bad? It looked decent but whatever I can't get answer for this.
17. Goku was holding the Universal Spirit Bomb at the time and since Raditz states Goku's Power Level (Not just the blast but Goku's actual level) is rising so that could be the case with any Special Move in Dragon Ball. Since the Universal Spirit Bomb killed him that means the Attack (and Goku AT the time)>>>>>Omega Shenron.
18. Like I said the whole thing about HUGE Power differences is NEVER Consistent even in the Canon universe.
19. Why is that a Plothole if there aren't any CONFIRMED SSJ2 Transformations. There were plenty of instances where they could have been SSJ2.
20. That is a Plothole I'll give you that.
21. Yes, but that was when Vegeta was still technically "Evil" and besides Vegeta wasn't so damn mad at Goku from the Buu Saga's end to the End of DBZ so who cares if he suggested Fusion? He knows the odds even when Goku said it was Ironic how Vegeta suggested it Vegeta told him to Shut up. The other times Goku had to nag Vegeta to do it again.
22. That one is weird but hey Golden Oozaru's appeared in the Anime (When Vegeta was describing the SSJ Legend) and who knows maybe another Saiyan DID reach it, Vegeta had no Idea what a SSJ looked like.
23. We don't know what Goku Junior's parents looked like, and the same goes for Vegeta Junior's.
24. Your forgetting that Kami & Piccolo were fused during GT.
25. They did that in Fusion Reborn too. I don't know why, but it's nothing that hasn't been done before GT came out so it doesn't matter.
26. We've never seen a SSJ with a tail until then so it's a mere assumption, plus when SSJ3 Goku is fighting Baby Vegeta his tail is actually almost golden.
27. Yeah, so what? Dragon Ball has always been a little random. Who knows maybe SSJ4 is a combination of all the Major Saiyan Stages before that. Think about it: It has the Gold Aura from Baisic SSJ, Fur from the Golden ape/Normal Oozaru state, semi-long hair (A length that is basically split between the SSJ2 & SSJ3 forms). This isn't a plothole because nothing suggests it can't happen, It's pretty weird but it's no contradiction.
28. Vegeta went Oozaru thanks to Bulma's Blutz waves and she flooded him with enough to go Oozaru, but hey Vegeta's tail was SUPPOSED to grow back wasn't it? Besides it's not like Vegeta could do it whenever he wanted.
29. They've done that in Fillers and Movies, that's not a "GT" Plothole so GT shouldn't get any greif over it.
30. He has an Aura? When? If so then I can't answer that one.
31. Same as Number 28.
32. Who says Master Roshi died? He could have just been on his Island watching Porn and shit like he....always has. Pan is a perfectly fine trainer so I don't see what's wrong.
33. Actually from the angle Goku's tail seems that way. However when he's seen naked (In the Oceanus Shenron Battle, his tail is above his bottom).
34. Don't know why but hey SSJ2 Teen Gohan hammered the ground a few times right when Cell was about to Self-Destruct, and it only made a little crack.
35. He said HAIR not a mustache, and hey who knows maybe he did have a mustache during breaks and merely shaved it (His father had a Beard afterall).
36. Android 19 is unusual perhaps Gero tried to Duplicate him but that could be a plothole.
37. Other people in space could train too. So that's why they could've gotten so much better.
38. The Humans who hurt Goten had Baby inside of them and his strength is added to their's so no Plothole here.
39. Omega Shenron wasn't exactly looking serious when he hit any minor people so maybe Omega Shenron just know's how to control his power level, like....everyone else does beyond the Freiza Saga.
40. Who knows, but hey Goku is going to get stronger as he goes along (Training with Uub too) plus Toei just powered Goku up immensly cuz of the way they wanted their story line.
41. When did he hint this? He never said he wanted to "Retire" he'd still help the earth out (Which is what he did).
42. Gogeta thought he had 30 Minutes but turns out he only had 10. Plus if you notice Goku acts a little cocky while he's a SSJ4 so maybe it's just that he's got so much power, but yes this was stupid.
43. Well Perhaps when Baby alters his Permanent Host he multiplies his strength rather than just ADDING it like the others. So who knows what the Multiplication factor was.
44. Interesting, however Super 17 later states (After he catches Goku's 2nd punch) that he could see through all of Goku's Techniques so he could have been merely testing him. So I think it's safe to assume SSJ3 Goku>>>>SSJ Goku.
45. Majuub was going all-out? Even if he was Mister Satan is a comedy character he survived a blow from Base Kid Trunks and Perfect Cell (Who was clearly annoyed). Besides maybe Uub was just Suppressing his Power (Like Goku said he was).
46. Or maybe Ice Shenron is about 50 Billion times stronger than the Bio-warrior from Movie 2 stronger fighter= stronger ice (Plus Eis Shenron was created from Magic).
47. Future Trunks technically is but not in the way you might be thinking. Trunks' hair his naturally that way so maybe Trunks just cut his hair or something.
48. I didn't see any of Goku's BEST friends screamming and besides even if they were it's not like they called his name. Pan just went up and talked to him.
49. That's a dub-line in the original he says something like "What just happened"
50. Well like you said earlier they turned to stone when Kami & Piccolo defused (Like they were when DB started). As for Pilaf I explained that awhile back so you can read it there.

Deep Thought

1. Good.

2. Vegeta wasn't evil anymore, so I can't see him crushing his best friend for fun.

3. Super Sayajin kid Goku is 3x stronger than base kid Goku whose equal to Super Sayajin 3 Goku (Z).

Do you really think that a fusion between someone whose as strong as base Vegeta and 17# would be far stronger than someone whose 3x stronger than SSj 3 Goku (Z)?

4. LOL, how?

5. When Piccolo re-fused with Kami, he would have know about such things. One would think that Piccolo would try to find such evil things. Besides, why didn't Kami dispose of them during the 300 or so years of his rulership?

6. OK, then.

7. Super Sayajin 3, as a transformation, has nothing to do with magic. What the hell are you talking about?

8. If your tail doesn't grow back in the 35 years between the Sayajin saga and GT, it's gone.

9. Sound like bullshit to me. Goku Jr., only 1/16 Sayajin. Besides, Gohan lost his Mystic form in GT.

10. Before Ubb fused with Buu, he was weaker than Goku's base form in GT. That's pathetic. In fact, Goku own power increased more than Ubb's power, despite the fucking fact that Goku was trying to make Ubb stronger, not himself.

11. Goku wasn't trying to train himself, though. He was trying to train Ubb.

12. Goku was screaming and squirming in pain, usually, when someone's in pain, they try to stop the source of pain from hurting them. Also, Goku didn't need to "pwn" Vegeta, he just needed to bust out of his grip, which wouldn't have hurt Vegeta that much.

13. Combining two points<<<<<Concentrating on a single point

14. Whatever, just because it happened in the DBZ anime, doesn't mean it's still not a plot hole.

15. The Freeza thing is the only time that happened, and I personally think that that's a plot hole in DBZ, so there goes your reasoning.

16. That's really bad reasoning.

17. Raditz's scouter was reading the power of the blast, not the person. If Raditz was to hit Goku in the back while he was preparing the Kamehameha wave, Goku would've been knocked out.

18. As I've said, the power level inconsistencies in DBZ only exist like......once.

19. Whatever, the DBGT Perfect Files said that SSj2 didn't exist in GT, and that's more valid than your opinion.

20. OK.

21. Vegeta wasn't pure evil in the Buu Saga, or he wouldn't have been revived by the Namekian Dragon.

22. How would Elder Kai know that, though? According to Vegeta, that Golden Ape thing happened one thousand years ago. Wasn't Elder Kai trapped millions of years ago?

23. The odds of them looking exactly like Goku are one to a trillion.

24. Demon King Piccolo plus Kami is NOT equal to Piccolo Jr.(with Nail already merged with him) plus Kami. Unless you think that Piccolo (fused with Nail) is the exact same thing as Demon King Piccolo.

25. The difference between Super Sayajin Vegeta and Super Sayajin Goku is 1.1x-1.3x.

Do you really think that the difference between Super Sayajin 4 Vegeta and Super Sayajin 4 Goku is 1.3x? Keep in mind that base kid Goku is equal to Super Sayajin 3 Goku (Z).

26. So that means that the tail coloring is inconstant in GT? Yup, plot hole.

27. Where's the red part coming from?

28. See number 8.

29. Just because it's a plot hole in DBZ, doesn't mean that it can't be a plot hole in GT.

30.

31. See number 8.

32. Pan is a perfectly fine trainer. Just say that to yourself.

33. So that means that the tail placement is inconstant in GT? Yup, plot hole.

34. Actually, the only time someone punched the ground during that entire fight was "USSj" Cell, and he caused a huge crater in the ground.

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36. Not buying it, sorry.

37. Freeza took over the whole Northern Galaxy, so he would met these guys during his planetary conquest.

38. Base Goten's power is well over ten million. A human's power level is 5. How fucking much did Bebi multiply the human's power level.

39. Why the fuck would he hold back on humans three times?

40. Goku got a bigger increase in power than Ubb did, though.

41. Goku tried to find a successor three times, implying that he want to retire, amongst other things.

42. Why didn't Gogeta finish off Omega Shenron instantly, though? He has no reason to hold back, at all. Super Sayajin 4 Goku wasn't that cocky.

Nice to see that you find it stupid, though.

43. Lending power just adds the power to the user. It would be retarded if it multiplied the power.

Base kid Goku is equal to Super Sayajin 3 Goku, and, assuming that the Super Sayajin multipliers are 3x, Super Sayajin 3 kid Goku would be 27x stronger than Super Sayajin 3 Goku (Z). Can't see Super Bebi Vegeta being two times stronger than that just by the power lend feature.

44. This could go either way, though. There's no solid proof in what you claim.

45. This wasn't done for comedy reasons, though.

46. Ice can't get stronger, it doesn't have a power level, and it only gets weaker when it melts.

47. It's not just his hair style, GT Trunks also looks less muscular then Future Trunks, even though he's way stronger.

48. In Dragon Ball Volume 5, when Goku's an ape, Kurrin (whose death made Goku turn Super Sayajin) says: "Okay, Goku!!! You can change back!!! You don't have to kill the whole audience!!!"

Goku then proceeds to throw a piece of the stadium at him.

49. Sounds like you're pulling that out of your ass.

50. When Kami and Piccolo fused, and the Black Dballs supposedly come out of their stone forms, Goku should've detected them on the radar when he was searching for the Dballs before the Cell Games. Bulma and co. should've also detected them when they were searching for the Dballs to revive the people that Vegeta killed.

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SSJ4 Vegito

3. The Fusion power is tremendous. Especially if one of them is around Base Vegeta (GT) who's around Base Goku (GT) who is around SSJ3 Goku (DBZ) so even though combining SSJ3 Goku+Android 17 and then Multiplying by say the Fusion Dance. Since SSJ3 Goku+SSJ3 Vegeta x (Fusion Multiplication factor) which would be alot stronger than Super Vegito but just divide it by half and Super 17 is still quite and then the Ki Blasts would take him the rest of the way.
5. Ok, I might not know but hey it could have been for any number reasons. Who knows, maybe he just decided to leave them alone. Since he probably didn't count on some little girl making a Dragon Ball "Radar".
7. What I was trying to say is the SSJ3 Transformation DRAINED Away that magic that allowed Goku to be in the Living world means that something happened to the magic or something. So if SSJ3 somehow nullified this "Magic" then it could have a few things to do with magic, just so you don't think I'm retarded.
8. Vegeta was mid-way through transforming into the Oozaru so he was merely transforming while exposed to enough blutzwaves. He didn't grow it back when he reverted to Normal did he?
9. I know Ultimate Gohan wasn't in GT but he was at the end of Z which is when Pan was conceived, so it still applies they just took away Gohan's Power up for some reason (Don't know why).
10. I don't know maybe since Uub's human he has some limits (Like Tenshinhan, Krillin and Yamcha seem to have), of course Goku wouldn't know since he has no Idea what it's like to be Human, yes he knows what they're capable of on but who knows Goku can't know for a fact what Uub will be capable of afterall. Uub may have had a high starting point but he might not have had as much potential as Goku thought.
11. Yes, but it's not like Goku is just going to quit making himself stronger he may want to find a successor for when he's gone. Besides who's to say he would slack off while he can still defend the earth.
12. I'll admit you may have me there but hey who knows maybe he was about too. Even so Goku never showed any scratches on his body from Vegeta grabbing him.
13. I'm saying that he still gathered the Kamehameha and focused it into a single point after he formed the energy and then concentrates THAT energy into a single Point, Perhaps it's more difficult for him at that point to gather the energy for the attack since the power is new to him but later when he uses the 10x Kamehameha he does it easily and doesn't form the energy in 2 hands he just is able to focus it into a single Point when he grows more accustomed to it.
14. I know but still I thought that this thread was made for GT Plotholes only (Meaning Plotholes that happened ONLY in DBGT) that's why I pointed it out Vegeta's height in DBZ.
15. Not really it's happened other times SSJ Goku charging 50% Freiza intially when he shouts: "I'm Furious with you FREIZA"! or something like that, he's got a serious look on his face and he's over 2x as strong as Freiza is at that point. Goku ("Over 8,000") even was beating the crap out of Nappa (PL of 4,000) and he didn't kill Nappa. In fact Vegeta PL of about 18,000 against Kaioken x3 Goku (Over 24,000) was hit quite hard by Goku, but it was nothing like the fight with Cui. Great Ape Vegeta was crushing Goku (And he was mad about his eye too) but Goku wasn't instantly killed. So perhaps certain characters have better defenses.
16. Okay.
17. Raditz said something like: "Kakorot's Power is at 924...and rising!!!" he never said the "That Blast he's got has a PL of 924" but hey a weary Goku survived a Beam from Great Ape Vegeta when he had the Spirit Bomb and there wasn't much damage (In fact Goku complains alot more about the fact that he's used up all his Power gathering the Spirit Bomb, he never said anything about the blast).
18. As you can see in #16, it's already answered.
19. Maybe so, since I've never seen the Perfect files but they never fight in the form though. Even though in the series you can see when Goku first powers up in front of Baby the 2nd time he goes SSJ then he has lightning and hair, and then he finally goes SSJ3. So that looked like SSJ2 to me, but I've never seen the Perfect files so I'll check them out.
21. I never said he was pure evil, he just didn't want to fuse with Goku. However that was when he still had his grudge against Goku, he changed since then. Even with the changes Vegeta was still reluctant to do it a 2nd time (He flat out refused to right in front of Omega Shenron a few times).
22. Vegeta said that last (Meaning the most recent) SSJ appeared 1,000 years ago. Who knows there could have been many Super Saiyans before that.
23. Okay your right.
24. I never said that at all (Where did you get that from?) I was saying that it's possible that they were stones after Kami split from Piccolo.
25. Where did you get any of this from? I never said anything like that relating to the differences between Goku & Vegeta. As I said before I merely gave the answer I did because, I thought this was a thread ONLY for plotholes that GT created on it's own.
26. Saiyans seem to have lighter skin when the go SSJ and it looks like it only gets lighter with every SSJ Transformation. So maybe since he was a SSJ3 his tail was alot "Brighter" than when he was a normal SSJ.
27. I don't know but there's nothing to say a Transformation can't be like that. I personally do think it was kinda stupid but not really "Impossible".
28. Exactly he reached the Oozaru as I said in Number 8 it was an artificial transformation (I guess you could say that). Then his fur turned Golden (Like Goku's was) and then went SSJ4 (Like Goku did). I doubt he could do it without going through that process the whole time, though. Since he doesn't keep his tail after he de-transforms.
29. This has the same answer as #14.
30. Yup, I think I remember this your right this is a Plothole.
31. Like I said in Number 8 once Baby's Transformation ends it's gone without the machine.
32. Why would Roshi train them, when Pan (Not the Spoiled Brat from the lost episodes, but the adult) lives with the Kid! We see her doing some light training with Goku Junior (Who doesn't seem really interested in fighting). Besides maybe his parents didn't want him hanging around Roshi since he'd become just like him!
33. No it isn't in the Tail placement is just out of Goku's Pants and since that's where they were pulling it out from there isn't a Plothole.
34. Okay, maybe Gohan hammering his hands in frustration was filler. Your right in that case.
35. Okay, I get you.
36. Fair enough, maybe that is a Plothole.
37. He probably did but back then they were weaklings most likely but they probably trained just like the Z Fighters did over time.
38. His Power doesn't Multiply when he chooses a temporary host (At least I don't think so) and besides Baby has a decent amount of strength himself so that's added to the Human's PL, so that's how it wasn't the human on his own.
39. Don't ask me but he had a smile on his face when he kicked Mister Satan he does enjoy hurting people (Like most if not all Villins do).
40. Okay but as I said before in #11 Uub might have some limitations (Which might have been nullified by Majin Buu's magic).
41. Okay, but he said at the end of Z: "We'll get even stronger" so he'd still get stronger but it doesn't mean he'd sit back when the world is in danger and say: "Naw screw it I'M RETIRED!"
42. I don't know maybe he wanted to have fun (Which is still Stupid!)
43. Well Baby did cause Vegeta to Mutate so that's definatly an effective transformation. Plus since Goku makes an appearence as a SSJ2 (as I said earlier) Vegeta could have been a SSJ2 then with that mutated Form he had Baby plus his 2 other transformations I suppose I could see it. Afterall Power lending is pretty retarded (This is a similar scenario to the Broly Movie, and Piccolo giving Goku his Power in Movie 4).
44. Okay then but I still believe he was.
45. Okay, but I still found it hilarious though. Plus he could have been suppressing his Power.
46. Yes, but physics are rarely applied in Dragon Ball period. However Eis Shenron is part of Shenron so he could have some sort of werid special eis (afterall if one of the dragons could raise is body temperature higher than the sun I don't see why Eis Shenron couldn't do what he did) Plus whatever the ice did to Goku the first time it didn't work the 2nd time, yes the stronger Omega Shenron was able to Freeze Goku later on so It definatly has something to do with Power.
47. Maybe your right on that one but in Future Trunks' first appearence aside from the hair he doesn't look different.
48. Yes but it took Pan a few tries to get Goku to stop Krillin only tried once.
49. Watch the first episode again in Japanese I'm pretty sure he never said that in the Original.
50. Okay then you got me there.

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STOP QUOTING THE ENTIRE PREVIOUS POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ITS SO DAMN HUGE!!!

That is not a Plothole. Do you even know what a Plothole is?

Best plothole in Z, is Vegeta being weaker VS Recoombe than he was when he arrived on Namek, for no stated reason. And that my friend, is a plot hole.

Theres nothing saying that no Namekian can spit out some mutant Namek Demon thing like Piccolo Daimaio did. If we found out it was impossible for Namekians to do that, even though Daimaio did, then that would be a plot hole.

I also thought I would post my own answers to that massive 50 plotholes list.

Green=Explained
Brown=Possibly Explained
Red=Unexplained

1. How about Mystic Gohan losing his power up?
Because if he didn't then Goku would not be the strongest, and we can't have that now can we?

2. How come Vegeta had trouble controlling his Oozaru (whatever it's called) form in GT? In the Sayajin Saga, he had no trouble, at all.
Retardedness, or an example of Vegeta's twisted sense of humour

3. Two #17's fused being far more powerful than Super Sayajin Vegeto. Well, lets see the difference between Super Sayajin Goku and Vegeta (Buu Saga) and Android 17#:
Because the one from hell could be stronger.

4. Speaking of Super 17, why did Super 17 have trouble beating base Kid Goku, yet he easily beat Super Sayajin 4 Goku.
Gayness

5. The black star balls were made by "Kamiccolo," right? Well, how come the supposed creator didn't know about his own creation.
It seems Kami and Piccolo have no memory at all of the old Kamiccolo.

6. Goku's tail in the original series was REMOVED, not shrank down.
Perhaps when he became a kid it started to grow back? Theres nothing to say that could not happen.

7. SSj4 clothes being a part of the form itself. The character's shirts disappear when they transform, and other differences like Goku's belt changing and Vegeta's gloves changing too.
Gayness

8. Vegeta re growing a tail when he was exposed to Bruits waves. This plot hole is so incredibly stupid because it's actually a plot hole of a plot hole. Goku's tail had to be pulled out in order for him to Transform (remember, him even having a tail is a plot hole), and Vegeta's just mysteriously grows back.
Because Vegeta is the King of the Saiyans (Yes, King)

9. Goku Jr being a Super Saiyan, it was stated that people with blood that was too diluted couldn't ascend, that explains why Pan couldn't
Because he's GOKU JR. And Goku=God

10. Uub not being Goku's successor as Earth's defender, that was the entire purpose of Goku training him in the first place.
Because Uub is black

11. Base Kid Goku defeating both dead Freeza and Cell.
SSJ is a boost not a multiplier. That would explain it, as Majin Saga Goku could take Frieza, and 20 years later Goku could possibly take Cell, but I still find this bullshit

12. SSj 4 Goku's inability to break free of regular Oozaru Vegeta's grasp. Goku should've been able to pawn him, considering that he could match Golden Oozaru Bebi-Vegeta.
SSJ4 Vegeta=Uber Strong, perhaps Vegeta surpassed Goku... nah, this IS GT we are talking about

13. Goku's "double point" Kamehameha being the most powerful one, "double point" as in combining chi into a single blast from two different sources (each hand). Raditz states at the very beginning of Dragon Ball Z that Goku's chi blasts are abnormally strong because he focuses his chi into a SINGLE point using both hand. Why would a blast be stronger when made from two weaker points instead of one stronger point?
Gayness

14. Vegeta's random growth of height in GT. Throughout the entire Z series, Vegeta was as tall as Bulma, making him shorter than Goku and Piccolo. However, in GT, he suddenly becomes considerably taller than Bulma.
Once again Vegeta=King of teh Sayapeople.

15. Omega Shenron, post Dragon absorption, was way too weak. Remember, a 1.3x difference is enough to destroy somebody in one shot. Going by that logic he should've destroyed Super Sayajin 4 Goku and Vegeta in a few punches.
Because no one can kill Goku! He iz da strongist

16. Why did Gogeta's hair turn red? To get the color red, you need to fuse yellow and orange, not black and brown. Geez.
Super Saiyan 5. Or, the writer of GT has Red Hair and is named Gogetia or something. I remember hearing SSJ4 Gogeta COULD be SSJ5, based on some crap from GT I don't care to remember...

17. Why didn't Omega Shenron's Ki blast have no effect on a base kid Goku?
Because Omega Shenron is the #2 lame ass villain (#1 is Rildo)

18. How did Vegeta manage to survive from the all power Omega Shenron in his SSJ form, when he was stabbed and electrocuted?
BECAUSE VEGETA IS KING OF DA SAIYANZ

19. No confirmed transformations to SSj2 (WTF??!).
Same reason Gotenks never turns SSJ2.

20. Kami never mentioned the flaw in the Dragon Balls of over-usage.
Kami secretly was evil and wanted Earth to be destroyed

21. Vegeta being the one to suggest fusion, after stating in Z that he would NEVER fuse with Goku again. Also Goku and Vegeta being equal in power at SSj4, Goku should've been stronger.
Vegeta has become a real fag in the 10 years since Z. I was not surprised to see this shit.

22. Rou Dai Kaioshin knowing about SSj4 when it had never appeared before.
Elder Kai knows all and sees all!

23. Goku Jr.s ancestry: following the rules of Saiyan genetics, he should've been descended from Goten, not Gohan. Also you have to wonder whether or not he would share Goku's resemblence or not, his blood might have been too diluted. Vegeta Jr is an interesting case, he should've been descended from a second son of Vegeta's.
They were named while Goku and Vegeta were still alive? No comment

24. Pilaf said that the Black-star Dragon balls were created back when Piccolo and Kami were one being. If that's true, then they should have turned to stone when they were split.
They should have turned to stone when they split, then reappeared when they reformed.

25. Goku Surpassed limit, and was still able to fuse with Vegeta, who turned Super Saiya-Jin 4 two minutes prior. They didn't have to wait an hour to refuse. They made up some shit rule about how they could only be fused for 10 minutes, god. Shoot this thing down.
No idea what your talking about. Did they fuse then refuse 5 seconds later?

26. When Goku fought Super Android 17 in Super Saiyan, his tail remained brown, Sayajin tails are covered in fur/hair, so shouldn't it turn blonde/gold like Goku's hair and eyebrows?
It should.

27. SSj 4 having red fur, where the hell did the red fur come from? To push this to the point of absurdity, the SSJ 4 form also has black hair. It should be all red like Gogeta's or completely black.
It was based on that Toriyama drawing, which I think was drawn on red paper. Perhaps thats where the red fur came from?

28. Vegeta being able to transform into an Oozaru without his tail, then he could just turn into a SSj 4.
VEGETA WUZ KING! His awesomeness allowed him to do all sorts of crap.

29. Villains keeping their physical bodies intact in Hell is another plot hole in GT.
This plothole applies to GT and DBZ Anime. GT seems to be a continuation of the anime rather than the manga.

30. Plot hole: Super 17's aura. Androids don't have auras, other then Cell who actually is not an android.
Gayness

31. I also noticed Bebi going Oozaru without a tail. They tried to explain it, but they phailed hardcore. No tail, no business.
LAEM. No comment. Rep for pointing that out once I've "spread teh love" abit.

32. In the GT movie, it said that Pan was the only left Z fighter or something like that. So where's Master Roshi? Did he die? How cane that be? He is immortal, and I doubt his immortality ran out. So why isn't he training Goku Jr.? I mean, if he could live up to 300 or so years then what's another 100 years...?
Roshi is indeed Immortal, in the sense of not dying of old age. PLOTHOELZ

33. Vegeta is a pure Saiyan standing naked in the Freiza arc, and in the GT when the Kais squeeze out Goku tail.

PLOT HOLE: Vegeta's tail is located above his bottom.
Goku' s tail in GT is located between the top of his bottom.
Disgusting. But hilarious. Could be explained because Kid Goku is young, and as Saiyans grow taller the gap increases. Check naked Kid Goku fishing in early DB for proof one way or another, I aint doing it...

34. One plot hole in GT was in episode 63, when Vegeta punched a building and it only made a little crack in the wall, the building should have been completely destroyed.
Vegeta could have held back or focused his attack on a small area, destroying that part but leaving the rest intact

35. Vegeta has a mustache in GT. It was stated in DBZ, by him, that full-blooded Saiyajins never grow hair.
If I remember correctly, he said that once it reached full length it would no longer grow. It's possible he shaved his mustache all thru Z

36. Android #19 came back from Hell, when that clearly cannot be done, since he is fully mechanical.
Was #16 in heaven? If so, then AI computers have souls which would make this ok. But I doubt it.

37. Before Goku, Freeza in his 2ND FORM is stated to be stronger than anyone in universe, so... how can alien people defeat SSj Goku?
Because Rildo is the(a) shit. Its the same argument as "How the fuck can any villain be stronger than Buu, the strongest mofo seen in 5000 million zillion years"

38. How can humans hurt Goten?
Goten=n00b. Goten being PL:5 and getting +150,000,000 boost from SSJ explains it, which also explains how Pan beat his ass in Z.

39. Mr. Satan didn't die after he received a kick from Omega Shenron. The same thing also happened with Videl and Bulma.
Mr Satan is strongest fighter in the universe. He just held back 99.999% of his power teh hole time.

40. Despite all of Goku's effort, Uub didn't get that much stronger, at all. He only got decently strong when he fused with Buu. Before that, he was probably as strong as SSj Vegeta.
Because Humans are weak. Pfft, fuck that argument, no answer there.

41. By the end of Z, Goku implied that he wanted to retire from the whole martial arts business.
Goku wanted to but had no choice but to fight or the Earth would be destroyed. Especially since Uub sux so bad.

42. SSj4 Gogeta's cocky attitude. The only reason why Vegeto acted cocky was because he wanted Super Buu to absorb him, so he could rescue his sons. Destroying Super Buu would killed his sons, which is a bad thing. Therefore, Vegeto tried to piss off Super Buu to the extent that Super Buu would absorb him.

Besides, Gogeta was an entirely serious character. Look at he took out Super Janemba.
SSJ5 automatically turns whoever uses it into a arrogant jackass.

43. Super Bebi Vegeta's overwhelming amount of power. If memory serves, Bebi Vegeta became Super Bebi Vegeta because he got the energy of Gohan, Goten and Bra, right? So, let's get this straight:

Super Sayajin Vegeta + Super Sayajin Gohan + Super Sayajin Goten + Bra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Super Sayajin 3 Goku? Nope, not buying it.
SSJ3 = +8,000,000 over SSJ2, if those levels I saw on the net are true.

44. Uub fights evenly with Base Goku at the first episode.
SSJ3 Goku fought Baby Vegeta and got his butt kicked.
Uub comes and starts fighting Baby, he gets his butt kicked.
Uub then fuses with Mr.Buu and becomes Uubuu. And fights nearly evenly with Baby Vegeta.

So, right now, it's:

Baby Vegeta > Uubuu >>> SSJ3 Goku > Goku = Uub.

Now when #17 saga appears Ubuu (who is now WAY stronger than SSJ3 Goku) lands huge blows on #17 and yet he dosn't even feel it. But when SSJ Goku hits 17 he goes flying across the country! Meaning:

#17 > SSJ Goku > Uubuu >> SSJ3 Goku > Goku

Meaning SSJ Goku is stronger than SSJ3 Goku.
Because Uub is black. I already made this clear didn't I?

45. Hercule surviving Majuub's punch him at full force.
Hercule=PL 10,000,000
He just looked Uber weak compared to PL 100,000,000 Krillin and Co all thru Z.

46. Kaiou-Ken Goku (Movie #2)>>>Ice>>>SSj4 Goku

Kaiou-Ken Goku broke out of ice, SSj4 Goku couldn't! Toei PLOTHOLE'D/10 themselves from their own movie!
SSJ4=gayness. Kaoken=ownage. Thats why.

47. Future Trunks and GT Trunks look totally different. Isnt Future Trunks technically GT Trunks?
I think GT Trunks is a little younger than Future Trunks. PLUS, GT Trunks hasn't had a life of sadness and hardship which will make him look all serious.

48. How could Pan's crying caused Gold Oozaru Goku to revert when his best friends were screaming at him to stop.
Family>>Friends. Plus they had to give Pan SOMETHING important to do.

49. In Dragon Ball, Goku stated he never went to school.

In GT, when Goku gets turned into a kid, he says, "Do I have to go to school again?"
Gay. Gayness. Done to make the target audience identify with Goku

50. If the Black Star Dragon Balls existed, then how come they weren't detected on Bulma's Dragon Ball radar? Then, in GT, they were suddenly visible on Bulma's radar. This is perhaps as big of a plot hole as Pilaf being revived.
I don't recall the Earth Balls being used after Kamiccolo reformed. Bulma did not look for them? And they would have been stone while Kamiccolo was seperate.

And my addition

51. Original Kamiccolo>>>>Goku
Kami stated that the Dragon could not effect people stronger than him unless they let it or something, yet the black star dragon balls, created by Evil Kamiccolo, were able to affect Goku for some gay reason.

32 Plotholes, 9 Possibly Explained, 9 Explained. 1 Unaccounted For, 1 addition.

apocalypse1280

You mean the same power up that didn't exist at the end of Z? Why didn't Gohan kill Kid Buu when he>>>>>SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta? His power when put into the Spirit Bomb wasn't strong enough to destroy Kid Buu. Nice try though.

Vegeta gained control over his Oozaru form. Why does it matter if he didn't right away? How long had it been since he was Oozaru anyway, a pretty damn long time.

First of all you do know SSJ2 Gohan killed Perfect Cell(full power) don't you? But anyway, two #17's opened hell. Now if you had watched it, or listened while watching, you would know that both #17's absorbed energy from hell when it was opened, making them much stronger then they had been. On top of that, if you had watched it or listened while watching, Dr Myuu gave Super 17 enhancements such as his ability to absorb Ki without Dr Gero's knowledge. He did that by making him a machine mutant. So Super 17 was a machine mutant, making him even that much more powerful. So not only did he absorb energy from hell, but was turned into a machine mutant by Myuu. Add on the fact that he can absorb Ki, I don't see what the problem is.

The only time Super 17 had trouble against Goku was when Goku hit him with the Dragon Fist. And let's see, #18 was threatening Super 17 with the bomb in her chest cause he didn't know she had gotten it removed. He left himself open and was vulnerable. Goku took advantage, caught Super 17 by surprise when he wasn't expecting it and attacked. And I'd think even in base form a Dragon Fist followed by a Kamehameha is a pretty lethal combo.

Who said he never knew about it? When was that ever stated?

And your point? Goku was turned into a kid, not shrank down. So who's to say how young he really became? No one knows. He could have become young enough to where he still had his tail. On top of that, he trained with Elder Kai, which we all know through Gohan has magic powers. So why is it so unbelievable that training under Elder Kai, on his planet, with his magic power, that Goku wouldn't grow a tail being a kid again? It's not.

How the hell is this a plothole? Are you gonna say that Majin Buu had a vest, and so did Evil Buu for that matter, but Super Buu didn't have one? Come on, that's just ridiculous knit picking.

So you're saying he should've been a giant ape with no tail? Right. You know it's like AIDS. It's sexually transmitted, but if someone gets injected with it then they skip that entire process of having sex. Same thing here. Vegeta didn't have a tail so he couldn't change without the Bruits Waves machine, which essentially injected him and skipped the process of having a tail in order to transform. But I would say it's common sense to say that if you become a monkey, you're gonna grow a fucking tail. And to your other "point", Goku had his tail pulled out because it grew a little through training under Elder Kai's magic. Vegeta didn't have that option and it had already worked on Baby Vegeta prior.

No it wasn't, anywhere, ever in the anime. Whoever made that up is dumb.

Again, this is not a plothole. WTF is wrong with you people? You'll say anythings a fucking "plothole". Gohan was supposed to be his successor in DBZ, so whats your point?

Let me clarify a few things here. First, Goku's the hero. Second, he was kicking their asses in base form, which to me isn't a big deal since Goku had been training like a beast for 10 years with Uub, then became a SSJ4. But anyway, both Frieza and Cell actually winded up catching Goku in some knew technique they made up together and had him beaten when they froze him. Only thing is he wasn't dead, so his body temperature melted the ice, and he switched it on them and froze them. But in reality, they had him beaten.

No one said he couldn't, Goku never states that he couldn't. It would make more sense for him not to aggra