GT Plotholes - Page 3

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 05-28-2008

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Pilaf being alive: Vegeta specified that he didn't want the evil people to come back when Porunga was asked to restore everyone's lives. Just because Pilaf is a weak gag character doesn't make him any less evil than Freeza or Cell.

Well, Piccolo specifically cites Vegeta's killing of countless innocent people as the reason Vegeta wouldn't be going to heaven like Goku, but instead was going to hell. Perhaps, since Pilaf and co. weren't murderers of the innocent, they weren't considered "evil" by the Dragon World's standards. Those two that went on a killing spree in the Boo saga, however, were definitely not wished back.

Anyway, here's an old plothole I remember:

In Dragon Ball Z movie 2, Goku is encased in ice by an enemy. He uses the Kaiô-Ken to break free. Yet, when one of the Xinglong dragons does the same thing to Goku in Dragon Ball GT, he can't break free with his Super Saiyan 4 aura. Kaiô-Ken is better than Super Saiyan 4, Toei?

(Of course, you could argue that perhaps the dragon had "stronger ice" or something, but hey, ice is ice, right? If heated up past the freezing point, it should melt, no matter what.

yellowsky · 05-28-2008

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Originally Posted by Chibi Mystic Gohan

In Dragon Ball Z movie 2, Goku is encased in ice by an enemy. He uses the Kaiô-Ken to break free. Yet, when one of the Xinglong dragons does the same thing to Goku in Dragon Ball GT, he can't break free with his Super Saiyan 4 aura. Kaiô-Ken is better than Super Saiyan 4, Toei?

(Of course, you could argue that perhaps the dragon had "stronger ice" or something, but hey, ice is ice, right? If heated up past the freezing point, it should melt, no matter what.

Ouu, may be the ice is made out of diamond! =D lol.XD
Hmm, may be the ice is magical? I.e: magic within them to keep the ice frozen.XD
I personally don't like it when "power focussing" anime/manga use the idea of "ice", technically, these beings are made of flesh and anything too cold like absolute zero can kill them even if they have a sun burning inside their bodies as their "outer part in not-->destroyed. And the problem lies here as the only "icy" temperature that can stop their power is absolute zero.
But then again, this is fantasy we're talking about so I guess implying the ice are "magical" or something like that is the best bet.

Roleplay · 05-28-2008

Gt is one big plothole there i had to say it... >_<

yellowsky · 05-28-2008

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Gt is one big plothole there i had to say it... >_<

*sigh*
Really, you guys need to move away from influential opinions and stop over-exaggerating small things. U__U
If I am to be critical, here...

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~~Gt is one big plothole~~ All anime contain plotholes not just DBGT, there i had to say it... >_<

apocalypse1280 · 05-29-2008

Just a few things:

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...which still doesn't explain how Kami knew where to find the space ship that he came to Earth in (When Bulma was going to Namel). And people knew of one set, they did not know of two, otherwise the second set would've been in the legend as well. Also, another point, how did the Black Star set get at Kami's Palace if he didn't even know they existed? All knowledge that Kami had was trasferred to Piccolo when they reunited, so if Kami knew that they existed (which is the only way that they could've gotten to the palace) then why didn't Piccolo know about them as well?

Assuming Kami knew about the Blackstar Dragonballs, and that Piccolo knew of them when he and Kami merged, why the hell would he ever mention them to anyone? They destroy the planet you make the wish on in 1 year, and you can grant evil wishes with them... like if you wanted to wish someone dead you could do that with the Blackstar Dragonballs. I think the guardian of Earth would not want to spread that around. What would be the point of ever mentioning them if they didn't fit in to any of the stories before that? Just like BAM! all of a sudden Piccolo is an alien from the planet Namek. Pilaf discovered them and that's it.

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Now you're just scraping for an argument. That doesn't have much to do with anything, the fact is that Goku stated that his tail was removed when Raditz asked him in volume 17. Removed and shrank down are two different things. In GT, it was stated that it was shrank down, which contradicts the events in volume 17. And not that your argument makes a difference anyway, I don't remember Rou Dai Kaioshin giving Goku his tail back, therefore it's still a plothole.

What part of "he got turned back into a kid" don't you understand. He didn't shrink, he became a child again. Plus Elder Kai's magic is what made his tail reappear. No plothole.

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You're the one using dub stuff, filler material, and GT facts to validate you're arguments. None of GT is canon, so I don't know what your point is.

Although I agree on the dub issue cause I think dub is pure crap..... this is the GT/movies section... which includes filler. You did know that right?

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Why would he need to? He hadn't seen the Saiyans in decades, therefore he couldn't be sure on how far the Saiyans had evolved, or if they had even evolved at all, so spending so much time making Baby that powerful doesn't really make much sense. Gero atleast knew what the Saiyans were capable of by observing Vegeta and Goku, therefore he could then predict how strong he needed his androids to be in order to defeat them. Of course Gero had not even considered the possibility of advanced transformations like Super Saiyan because there was no evidence that transformations like that were even possible for Saiyans at the time that he observed Vegeta and Goku.
Also the Saiyans that fought the Tuffles were powerful, but nothing that something like first form Freeza couldn't handle. First form Freeza could've wiped them all out, yet for some reason, Myuu spent decades making Baby more powerful than an SSj3.

Myuu didn't create Baby. In fact, Baby was using Myuu the entire time to build him up and make him stronger. You know that in the DB universe that each main villain is stronger then the next, right? Baby being stronger then a SSJ3 made perfect sense, of course because he wasn't. Only when he possessed Vegeta's body and became Baby Vegeta. That's not very "unbelievable".

Xyex · 05-30-2008

I know I'm a bit late on this but meh, I've not been around much recently.

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There's actually an unspecified amount of time. I've heard three different time periods between Z and GT. I've heard 10, 7, and 5. The truth is, no one fuckin knows.

Well, the time span is given in one (and only the one) official source, the Perfect Files, and it's given as being 5 years. All other numbers are fan (or FUNi) made.

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It's stated in the Daizenshuu that people with less than half heritage can't transform into Super Saiyans because their blood is too diluted.

That's from the Perfect Files, actually. The Daizenshuu say nothing on it.

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Errm, you know that nothing is ever permanent? The "unlocking" of his hidden powers is like a technique, or should I say something learnt, so when someone do not keep using something, they start to disprove. I think that was the aim.
And how many years has it been? I think it's roughly 20(9-10 after defeating buu and 10 after Goku trains Uub and another year as the gang serached for the black star dragonballs), anyways, it has been a long time you see. So just because you can tap into your power before, doesn't mean you can always be at that level. E.g: I bet you don't remember half of the stuff you've learnt in primary school, right?

The 'Mystic' power isn't an ability. All of Gohan's power was drawn out for him to use. There's nothing there to forget. Sure, his power might drop some in the following 15 years between having it unlocked and the events of GT but not nearly as much as GT portrayed. And dropped or not he still would be unable to transform.

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Errrm, actually, Bra is two years older than Pan.

One year. Maybe half. But one at most.

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It is 10 years as stated in the anime.

No, it's not. The dub says it but not the original. I've seen this said often but no one has ever been able to say where this is supposedly found in the JP version. The only official number given is 5 years.

As for the debate over Pilaf. He's evil. Deal with it. Just becuase he was never successful in killing anyone (that we saw) does not mean that he's not evil. He tried to cook Goku, Bulma, Yamcha, Puar, and Oolong alive. And GT shows that he never changed unliked everyone else, including Vegeta, thus he was still evil.

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What part of "he got turned back into a kid" don't you understand. He didn't shrink, he became a child again.

He wasn't talking about Goku. He was talking about Goku's tail.

apocalypse1280 · 06-02-2008

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No, it's not. The dub says it but not the original. I've seen this said often but no one has ever been able to say where this is supposedly found in the JP version. The only official number given is 5 years.

I can't fully rebut this right now cause I can't find the damn Lost Episodes anywhere. I'll take you on your word though just because I don't think you'd lie for no reason, but I'll stick with 10 years as it was mentioned in the original Japanese version of the anime. I'll look into it though.

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As for the debate over Pilaf. He's evil. Deal with it. Just becuase he was never successful in killing anyone (that we saw) does not mean that he's not evil. He tried to cook Goku, Bulma, Yamcha, Puar, and Oolong alive. And GT shows that he never changed unliked everyone else, including Vegeta, thus he was still evil.

As I said before: "Making a few attempts on someones life because you're blinded by greed, doesn't make you pure evil or your heart evil. It makes for poor, blinded judgment, but not evil. Whether he tried to or not, the fact still stands that he never killed anyone."

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He wasn't talking about Goku. He was talking about Goku's tail.

No shit. And he had a tail when he was a kid. Plus he trained with Elder Kai, which we all know with Gohan that he has magic powers, and there you have it. His tail grew back... as a kid. Not hard to understand.

SaiyajinPerfection · 06-02-2008

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Although I agree on the dub issue cause I think dub is pure crap..... this is the GT/movies section... which includes filler. You did know that right?

I know, but there's no plotholes if there's no original series, therefore the original series has to be the primary source of reference here.

SSJ4 Vegito · 06-03-2008

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Anyway, here's an old plothole I remember:

In Dragon Ball Z movie 2, Goku is encased in ice by an enemy. He uses the Kaiô-Ken to break free. Yet, when one of the Xinglong dragons does the same thing to Goku in Dragon Ball GT, he can't break free with his Super Saiyan 4 aura. Kaiô-Ken is better than Super Saiyan 4, Toei?

(Of course, you could argue that perhaps the dragon had "stronger ice" or something, but hey, ice is ice, right? If heated up past the freezing point, it should melt, no matter what.

Physics have never fit into Dragon Ball and plus the Ice could be Magical (After all Shenron or the Evil Shenron rather is magical). I don't know alot about physics but I do know that that sort of stuff is rairly taken into acount not even in the DB/DBZ Manga. Dragon Ball has ALWAYS ignored Physics so really they don't matter.

So actually no the SSJ4 aura is not weaker than the Kaioken aura since Eis Shenron literally about 30 Billion times stronger than the Bio Warrior from Movie 2 so are his Techniques in my opinion.

apocalypse1280 · 06-03-2008

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So actually no the SSJ4 aura is not weaker than the Kaioken aura since Eis Shenron literally about 30 Billion times stronger than the Bio Warrior from Movie 2 so are his Techniques in my opinion.

Quoted for truth. Not opinion, but truth.

apocalypse1280 · 06-03-2008

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I know, but there's no plotholes if there's no original series, therefore the original series has to be the primary source of reference here.

My whole point is you can't say, "You're the one using dub stuff, filler material, and GT facts to validate you're arguments", when this is the GT/movies section, which includes filler. Like I said I agree with you on the dub part, but since this is the GT/movies section... which involves filler... it's absolutely ok to use "filler material, and GT facts" to validate ones arguments. If not, then this would be in the DBZ canon section, which it isn't.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 06-03-2008

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Physics have never fit into Dragon Ball and plus the Ice could be Magical (After all Shenron or the Evil Shenron rather is magical). I don't know alot about physics but I do know that that sort of stuff is rairly taken into acount not even in the DB/DBZ Manga. Dragon Ball has ALWAYS ignored Physics so really they don't matter.

So actually no the SSJ4 aura is not weaker than the Kaioken aura since Eis Shenron literally about 30 Billion times stronger than the Bio Warrior from Movie 2 so are his Techniques in my opinion.

I was just pointing out a potential plothole. I personally would like to think that ice is just ice...

apocalypse1280 · 06-04-2008

Well if one dragon can raise his temperature to the heat of the sun, it shouldn't be hard to believe that the other dragon could create the coldest, hardest ice ever. It's that simple really, IMO.

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