GT Plotholes - Page 2

SaiyajinPerfection · 05-26-2008

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Originally Posted by yellowsky

@Xyex:
Yeah, simpler way, I like that explanation. =D

@SaiyajinPerfection:
Hmmm, let's see...

Well, I've just explained it in my previous post. You have to tackle this problem using the "fantasy laws" of anime (i.e.: Don't apply extreme realitily deductions and reasons, for example: nobody can fly in reality).
So the same applies here.

yea, and no one can be ressurrected in real-life anyway, so what's your point? And I am using the "fantasy laws" of anime (in this case the manga) because that was the specification given by Vegeta: no evil people should be revived.

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Errm, you know that nothing is ever permanent? The "unlocking" of his hidden powers is like a technique, or should I say something learnt, so when someone do not keep using something, they start to disprove. I think that was the aim.
And how many years has it been? I think it's roughly 20(9-10 after defeating buu and 10 after Goku trains Uub and another year as the gang serached for the black star dragonballs), anyways, it has been a long time you see. So just because you can tap into your power before, doesn't mean you can always be at that level. E.g: I bet you don't remember half of the stuff you've learnt in primary school, right? ^__~.
And even though it's like a "unlocking" of one's power, it's experienced by the body rather than embedded in one's genes.
But yeah, it does sound like a plothole but I guess it was made so Goku can "shine" (which i don't like either).

Gohan's unlocking ability isn't a technique, not even close. It is a permanant ability because of the fact that it is a process that released the dormant ki inside him. It's not like a Super Saiyan ability; because that is totally different being a transformation. "Mystic" is not a transformation. If it were a transformation or technique, than Goku could've become "Mystic Goku" at anytime during the Buu saga. Also it isn't learned because Gohan never learned anything when he was "training" with Rou Dai Kaioshin.

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1)I think in the first episode, Pilaf said he spend the rest of the time he has been "absent"(absent from the show?) to research for the balls or something. Nevertheless, just because something is suppose to be unknown, it doesn't mean nobody would know about it or having the chance of discovering them. May be pilaf have been up the look-out a few times before..who knows...it's one fo the Toei's weird idea thing again.
2)Yeah, but the place the balls are kept are under somekind of special cloth/altar thing. And in the original Dragonball series, we've all learnt that the dragon radar cannot detect any dragonballs when they are "absorbed/eaten/completely sealed away" remember?

But that still doesn't explain how he knew about them if Piccolo didn't even know. Piccolo should've been the only person that actually knew about them because the Black Star DBs were stated to be created when Piccolo and Kami were still a single being. That single being didn't become an important figure until he actually vouched for the throne of Kami, therefore even if someone saw him make the Black Star Dragon Balls, it's not like they'd know what they were or even think anything of them. Piccolo not knowing about the Black Star balls is like a woman giving birth to a child, but she doesn't remember later that it happened or that she was ever pregnant. That doesn't make any sense.
And as for your second point, I don't remember that ever happening in the manga.

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Ah, removed, but completely genetically removed? ^__~. yes, you can prevent something from growing but you can't genetically remove it as the gene is part of every cell in your DNA.
Remember the supreme Kais suppose to have amazing powers (like unlocking hidden powers..^__~). And afterall, when Goku started to ground the coffee beans(suppose the grounder is magical), he felt his tail-bone started to itch, i.e: started to grow again.

Kami removed it, therefore it's permanant after the time that he removed it. Also Goku stated that the removal was permanant way back when Raditz asked him about it in volume 17 of the manga.

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Hmm, yeah I know. May be Toei just wanted to show super saiyans before GT ended, but failed.XD Lol.
personally, I am not sure if the Daizenshuu really is(other than it's like a DB encyclopedia.XD) but yeah, a scary plothole (unless Toei decided to introduce secret saiyans during those few decades lol..XD).

I have realized that we probably aren't on the same page, I'm using canon facts, you aren't. The "Story" volume of the Daizenshuu was written by Toriyama's manga team, therefore it is the most accurate Dragon Ball based encyclopedia.

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Actually, somewhere in GT or a DBZ movie(can't remember, sorry), we learnt that the Tuffles and Saiyans apparantly are similar race except for the saiyans are more like savages and the Truffles are more "scientific" minded. They took over the planet and named it Vegeta.
Anyways, Just because their ancesters were quite weak, it doesn't mean all of them stays weak as time passes. The saiyans became stronger so why can't the Tuffles evolve too? Afterall, we human evolved and became more intelligent and "powerful"..^__~.
Furthermore, we know how human are so weak compared to Saiyans, but Android 18 was originall a human and was turned into an android by Dr. Gero so we can only assume the same thing - these creatures can be "powered-up" through technology and power.

But since they were destroyed, they couldn't have evolved, therefore their natural boundries are what they were when they were destroyed. And the whole reason they were destroyed was because they were overwhelmed by the Saiyans' physical power, who were indeed strong, but nowhere near the caliber of what Goku and Vegeta were by GT time.

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Errrm, actually, Bra is two years older than Pan. And yeah, i see what you mean but remember in dragonball, we have a simiar thing with Goku. Goku didn't even grow throughout the early-half of Dragonball until 3 years after his training in the wild when all the cahracters gathered for the Tournament that he changed drastically - he used to be less than half of Bulma's height and suddenly became taller than Bulma in just roughly 3 years!
So anyways, it's character proportions, it's hard to draw very small height differences in animes, so let's just sympathise Toei's effort..XD [Even though I agree, it's a plothole. =D, but that's Toei for you.]

Well, yeah, I agree, there are more plotholes but some, like these here can be explained. :)

Where does it say that? In the end of Z they were roughly the same age, if not, Bra looked a tad younger. Also when boys grow (in the real world) they usually grow to taller heights than girls, I'm assuming that the same law goes for Dragon Ball.

Dupe of USSJed · 05-26-2008

I find it hard to believe that the Tuffles could evolve much in 64 or so years.

Also, whats with this stupid logic?

"I will get revenge on the power level <10,000 Saiyans, for that I will need a mutant warrior with a power level of 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000?"

apocalypse1280 · 05-26-2008

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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Vegito

1. Base Kid Goku being able to take all those moves from Omega Shenron.

While he was holding the Universal Spirit Bomb? That's not hard to comprehend.

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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Vegito

2. Gohan, Trunks & Goten being so weak and yet their able to take hits from the main villins pretty well.

I wouldn't say they were "so weak", but having them killed off by main villains would have done what exactly for the show?

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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Vegito

3. 2 Android 17s fused being able to do anything to Goku & the others.

Well according to Gero, Android 17 was supposed to be the ultimate artificial human. And with the help of Dr Myuu, unbeknownst to Gero, turned him into a machine mutant, so he was way stronger. Besides Android 17 absorbed energy when hell was opened up and became much stronger anyway before they fused, which is why one 17 was able to own Trunks, and the other 17 fought evenly with Vegeta.

apocalypse1280 · 05-26-2008

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