Okay, I suddenly got this crazy idea on what Super Saiyan 4 truly is. Everybody says that it is not a Super Saiyan form, but think of this. When a base form Saiyan becomes an Oozaru, that is a base form Oozaru. It is a completely different form than a base Saiyan, but it is the Oozaru's base form. Then, there is the Super Saiyan transformation. A Base form Saiyan becomes a Super Saiyan. Similarly, a base form Oozaru can become a Super Saiyan Oozaru, aka Golden Oozaru. So far, there are two different base forms for Saiyans.

Base Saiyan -------> Super Saiyan

Base Oozaru -------> Super Saiyan Oozaru

Now, there is the method of mastering the Super Saiyan form to become a MSSJ.

Base Saiyan --------> Super Saiyan ------> Mastered SSJ

Since a base Oozaru can become a SSJ oozaru, just like a base Saiyan becomes Super Saiyan, I think the SSJ Oozaru form can be mastered to gain full control over the form, just like the normal Super Saiyan form, like this.

Base Oozaru ------> SSJ Oozaru -------> MSSJ Oozaru

We know that when an Oozaru masters the Golden Oozaru, aka SSJ Oozaru form, they become a Super Saiyan 4. So...

Base Saiyan ---> SSJ ----> MSSJ

Base Oozaru ---> SSJ Oozaru ---> MSSJ Oozaru

Can you guess what MSSJ Oozaru would be? It masters the power of the Super Saiyan Oozaru form, just like MSSJ masters the power of the normal Super Saiyan form. Since both transformations have the same purpose, it can be concluded that Super Saiyan 4 is a Mastered Super Saiyan Oozaru.

This means, Super Saiyan 4 = Mastered SSJ Oozaru.

In this sense, the Super Saiyan 4 IS a Super Saiyan form. However, it is mastery of the Super Saiyan Oozaru form, which is why it is so different from the other SSJ stages. The other SSJ stages are transformations of the base Saiyan form while SSJ4 is a transformation of the base Oozaru form. Does anybody agree?

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Wow you really thought into this. It's a very good theory though, I would have never thought of it. But I always did believe that Super Saiyan 4 wasn't a true form just because of the way to achieve it. I always wanted Super Saiyan 3 to be the final Super Saiyan form, and with your theory it would fit my ideals.

But your theory fits pretty perfectly. To be a Super Saiyan 4 a Saiyan must have a tail, but in the other forms they do not need one. Also in Super Saiyan 4 Saiyans don't really need to level up or become stronger to attain the next level. So to me a Super Saiyan 4 is more of an Oozaru transformtion.

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hmm..then ssj4 can be power up to even a higher level..

ssj------mssj------ssj2------ssj3

oozaru ssj (golden oozaru) ---- oozaru mssj (super saiyan 4)----ssj5??-----ssj6??

hehehe

Not bad at all. Really good, I think you could be right.

Woah, don't give the AF fanboys any ideas lol.

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o_0 Sorry but who say this is a completely retard. Isn't Super Saiyan-jin 4 enough to be considered it a Super Saiyan form?

Very interesting analysis.
However, don't you need the moon to become Oozaru? So does that mean MSSJ Oozura wouldn't need the moon?

If you look up wiki, it does say 'The Super Saiyan 4 was designed by Toei artist Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru, and was designed to more closely resemble the Saiyan Ape form which appears early in the written series.'

Maybe they thought that the manga had gone too far away from the orginal ape/human idea (super sayain has nothing to do with apes) So they wanted GT to go back to its roots?

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I like the theory. It could be right. If anything it would make a sweet fan fic. A golden oozaru is just like ss1 than a ss4 would be the same as a mss. then you can ascend up lever just like a regular sayian. could you imagin what a ss3 oozaur would look like, lol

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--Gohan

i wonder if oozaru ssj2 and 3 have different clothes

No. We've had this discussion many times. A Golden Oozaru isn't anything but a lame plot device.

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GT is lame

That's irrelevant to the topic at hand. Find something useful to say or don't post anything. This is in the GT section, so discussion about GT is perfectly acceptable.

The first Super Saiyan is a plot device, and so is Super Saiyan 2 and 3. They can be lame at times, and they still fit somewhere in the system of Saiyan transformations. The Golden Oozaru transformation may be lame in your opinion, but lameness has absolutely nothing to do with its purpose.

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No, the Super Saiyan was the plot point. It was the point that the whole series had hinged on.

Super Saiyan 2 was meant to be the pinnacle of Gohan's power. It was meant to be his latent power taking him higher than anyone else. It to, had most of the series building up to it.

Super Saiyan was a plot device. Goku needed to be more powerful; give him a new transformation with no build up or anything.

Super Saiyan 4/Golden Oozaru was the same.

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My response was that just because the plot device was lame in your opinion doesn't mean it doesn't fit somewhere. You can't use lameness as an excuse to say that my theory is incorrect. If you can come up with a good explanation as to why my theory is incorrect, I'd be happy to listen to it, but until then, lameness has nothing to do with anything.

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