Idea on what SSJ4 really is - Page 2

Madness · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by SSGokuTim

My response was that just because the plot device was lame in your opinion doesn't mean it doesn't fit somewhere. You can't use lameness as an excuse to say that my theory is incorrect. If you can come up with a good explanation as to why my theory is incorrect, I'd be happy to listen to it, but until then, lameness has nothing to do with anything.

True.

The truth is, Golden Oozaru doesn't fit. It seems to be attainable post-SSJ, but has power over that of SSJ3. It's... strange.

Vagrant Lustoid 2 · 05-11-2008

Is it that strange though? If you use a multiplier theory and accept that each of SSJ2 and SSJ3 add additional multipliers of less than 3.2x the previous form, then Oozaru and its 10x multiplier would make it stronger than a SSJ3, yes.

**Broly** · 05-11-2008

Very logical. But Golden Oozaru cannot really be called Mastered Super Saiyan Oozaru in the same sense as the MSSj state. They're different. The mastery of the regular Super Saiyan state would not exactly help in the undermining of one's memories as a Golden Oozaru to become an SSj4. That's the basis of the SSj4 transformation. To me, SSj4 is still part hand-in-hand with the regular Super Saiyan transformation line. Both the Super Saiyan state and the Oozaru sate are combined together, then once you remember who you are you transform into SSj4. Apparently the combination of both types of Super Saiyan transformations create the ultimate one.

Vagrant Lustoid 2 · 05-11-2008

The ultimate one? Or not quite? I mean, what if you were SSJ3 and got hit with the Bruitz Machine? Or had a tail, went to SSJ3 and then Power Balled yourself to an Oozaru?

But I agree, it sounds good as Mastered Super Oozaru, but it seems likely to me that it's at least a little more complex than that.

**Broly** · 05-11-2008

Well I wouldn't call the Super Saiyan 4 state anything with "Oozaru" in it, even though it resembles the Saiyans Oozaru state much, in that it has a primal appearance. I would simply call it Super Saiyan 4 because it's an entirely new state, taking both the Oozaru state and the Super Saiyan state and combining them into a new one, and the strongest Saiyan form at that. That's why I think it actually deserves the name SSj4, because it's the ultimate Saiyan state.

But I'm not sure how things would turn out if you went SSj2 or 3 before turning Oozaru. It could be that you just receive a higher power level as an SSj4, since the hair is the almost the same, just longer or spikier.

Vagrant Lustoid 2 · 05-11-2008

Well, I've always refused to call it SSJ4. I call it either Super Form X (SFX) or Primal Saiyan. But that's just cause I don't think either Super Saiyan or Oozaru really fit it as a term.

Unruly_Saiyajin · 05-11-2008

Dude lol Look here about what SSJ4 is...it has been said countless times and well yah.

http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/anime-manga/dragonball-gt-movies/89368-rant-about-super-saiyan-4-a.html

http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/anime-manga/dragonball-gt-movies/89378-what-best-name-ssj4-stage.html

http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/anime-manga/dragonball-gt-movies/89220-fur.html

These threads have been dead for a while so you don't need to post but all of them are discussing the very aspect of SSJ4.

If you don't wanna read I will save you the time with a Quick Summary:

SSJ4 doesn't belong in the actual 'saiyajin' family. It is a branch of the Oozaru transformation. Since the Chain doesn't go SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJ4... you see what I mean?

SSJ: Characterized by hair turning golden, them becoming stronger, eyes turning green, hair spiking u.

SSJ2: Chracterized by Golden Hair, spiking up, getting stronger, and then lightning

SSJ3: Longer Golden hair, spikey lightning

SSJ4: Red Fur, Black hair, wild and crazy, monkey like

This makes no sense, however if you put it into Oozaru

Oozaru: A Monkey, fur, wild

Golden Oozaru: SSJ Oozaru, wild, furry, monkey

SSJ4: Wild, furry, monkey like

Although this may sound wrong...think about it and you'll see it's right. All it takes to acess SSJ4 is to be a saiyajin and to have gone SSJ before. The reasoning makes sense:

1.) All saiyajins can go Oozaru, unless their tails are cut off.

2.) It's unknown, but I am thinking all saiyajins can go SSJ if they meet req.

3.) Golden Oozaru = SSJ Oozaru. The user doesn't need to have SSJ3 power. ( Look at Vegeta )

gokussj2 · 05-11-2008

the creators of GT just didn't knew what else to do to be original so they made ssj4 like that , no reason

Vagrant Lustoid 2 · 05-12-2008

It's a hybrid, it's neither clearly one nor clearly the other. I stand by this.

SRP76 · 05-12-2008

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Originally Posted by Vagrant Lustoid 2

I mean, what if you were SSJ3 and got hit with the Bruitz Machine? Or had a tail, went to SSJ3 and then Power Balled yourself to an Oozaru?

You'd be a big yellow monkey with very long fur.

gokussj2 · 05-13-2008

i think that makes you a ssj porcupine

remixremix · 05-13-2008

Im sure that i would come with a better idea then Toei when it comes to SSJ4 the fur is horrible......

SSGokuTim · 05-14-2008

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Originally Posted by remixremix

Im sure that i would come with a better idea then Toei when it comes to SSJ4 the fur is horrible......

Yeah you would probably change the character into an android or something. I don't understand why people hate the fur. I love the way SSJ4 looks visually.

Vagrant Lustoid 2 · 05-14-2008

Actually, I'd agree there. It looks just fine. It's the fundamental concept behind it that I hate. It would have been awesome if it were just mastered Oozaru and they didn't magically get pants or age.

remixremix · 05-15-2008

I thought it would turn out better if they didnt showed the Ozaru .......It would look better if Goku from SSJ3 just transformed into a SSJ4 wthout the whole tail pushing and all the other things

05-11-2008	#17 (permalink)
Vagrant Lustoid 2 (13) Great Ape Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 278 Rep Power: 2	Re: Idea on what SSJ4 really is Is it that strange though? If you use a multiplier theory and accept that each of SSJ2 and SSJ3 add additional multipliers of less than 3.2x the previous form, then Oozaru and its 10x multiplier would make it stronger than a SSJ3, yes.

05-11-2008	#18 (permalink)
Broly Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Valley Posts: 6,961 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 12	Re: Idea on what SSJ4 really is Very logical. But Golden Oozaru cannot really be called Mastered Super Saiyan Oozaru in the same sense as the MSSj state. They're different. The mastery of the regular Super Saiyan state would not exactly help in the undermining of one's memories as a Golden Oozaru to become an SSj4. That's the basis of the SSj4 transformation. To me, SSj4 is still part hand-in-hand with the regular Super Saiyan transformation line. Both the Super Saiyan state and the Oozaru sate are combined together, then once you remember who you are you transform into SSj4. Apparently the combination of both types of Super Saiyan transformations create the ultimate one. __________________ $E:\Avatars\RockstarSponsor.jpg$ Numeros MFG -*Cinco-*

05-11-2008	#19 (permalink)
Vagrant Lustoid 2 (13) Great Ape Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 278 Rep Power: 2	Re: Idea on what SSJ4 really is The ultimate one? Or not quite? I mean, what if you were SSJ3 and got hit with the Bruitz Machine? Or had a tail, went to SSJ3 and then Power Balled yourself to an Oozaru? But I agree, it sounds good as Mastered Super Oozaru, but it seems likely to me that it's at least a little more complex than that.

05-11-2008	#20 (permalink)
Broly Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Valley Posts: 6,961 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 12	Re: Idea on what SSJ4 really is Well I wouldn't call the Super Saiyan 4 state anything with "Oozaru" in it, even though it resembles the Saiyans Oozaru state much, in that it has a primal appearance. I would simply call it Super Saiyan 4 because it's an entirely new state, taking both the Oozaru state and the Super Saiyan state and combining them into a new one, and the strongest Saiyan form at that. That's why I think it actually deserves the name SSj4, because it's the ultimate Saiyan state. But I'm not sure how things would turn out if you went SSj2 or 3 before turning Oozaru. It could be that you just receive a higher power level as an SSj4, since the hair is the almost the same, just longer or spikier. __________________ $E:\Avatars\RockstarSponsor.jpg$ Numeros MFG -*Cinco-*

05-11-2008	#21 (permalink)
Vagrant Lustoid 2 (13) Great Ape Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 278 Rep Power: 2	Re: Idea on what SSJ4 really is Well, I've always refused to call it SSJ4. I call it either Super Form X (SFX) or Primal Saiyan. But that's just cause I don't think either Super Saiyan or Oozaru really fit it as a term.

05-11-2008	#22 (permalink)
Unruly_Saiyajin Naruto Ranked (14) ANBU Commander Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: U.S. Posts: 379 Rep Power: 2	Re: Idea on what SSJ4 really is Dude lol Look here about what SSJ4 is...it has been said countless times and well yah. http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/anime-manga/dragonball-gt-movies/89368-rant-about-super-saiyan-4-a.html http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/anime-manga/dragonball-gt-movies/89378-what-best-name-ssj4-stage.html http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/anime-manga/dragonball-gt-movies/89220-fur.html These threads have been dead for a while so you don't need to post but all of them are discussing the very aspect of SSJ4. If you don't wanna read I will save you the time with a Quick Summary: SSJ4 doesn't belong in the actual 'saiyajin' family. It is a branch of the Oozaru transformation. Since the Chain doesn't go SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJ4... you see what I mean? SSJ: Characterized by hair turning golden, them becoming stronger, eyes turning green, hair spiking u. SSJ2: Chracterized by Golden Hair, spiking up, getting stronger, and then lightning SSJ3: Longer Golden hair, spikey lightning SSJ4: Red Fur, Black hair, wild and crazy, monkey like This makes no sense, however if you put it into Oozaru Oozaru: A Monkey, fur, wild Golden Oozaru: SSJ Oozaru, wild, furry, monkey SSJ4: Wild, furry, monkey like Although this may sound wrong...think about it and you'll see it's right. All it takes to acess SSJ4 is to be a saiyajin and to have gone SSJ before. The reasoning makes sense: 1.) All saiyajins can go Oozaru, unless their tails are cut off. 2.) It's unknown, but I am thinking all saiyajins can go SSJ if they meet req. 3.) Golden Oozaru = SSJ Oozaru. The user doesn't need to have SSJ3 power. ( Look at Vegeta ) __________________ P.S. Visit this site for all the anime your heart desires : http://www.animecrazy.net/

05-11-2008	#23 (permalink)
gokussj2 (13) Great Ape Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 317 Rep Power: 0	Re: Idea on what SSJ4 really is the creators of GT just didn't knew what else to do to be original so they made ssj4 like that , no reason

05-12-2008	#24 (permalink)
Vagrant Lustoid 2 (13) Great Ape Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 278 Rep Power: 2	Re: Idea on what SSJ4 really is It's a hybrid, it's neither clearly one nor clearly the other. I stand by this.

05-13-2008	#26 (permalink)
gokussj2 (13) Great Ape Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 317 Rep Power: 0	Re: Idea on what SSJ4 really is i think that makes you a ssj porcupine

05-13-2008	#27 (permalink)
remixremix (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Planet Neptune Posts: 2,058 Rep Power: 4	Re: Idea on what SSJ4 really is Im sure that i would come with a better idea then Toei when it comes to SSJ4 the fur is horrible...... __________________

05-14-2008	#29 (permalink)
Vagrant Lustoid 2 (13) Great Ape Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 278 Rep Power: 2	Re: Idea on what SSJ4 really is Actually, I'd agree there. It looks just fine. It's the fundamental concept behind it that I hate. It would have been awesome if it were just mastered Oozaru and they didn't magically get pants or age.

05-15-2008	#30 (permalink)
remixremix (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Planet Neptune Posts: 2,058 Rep Power: 4	Re: Idea on what SSJ4 really is I thought it would turn out better if they didnt showed the Ozaru .......It would look better if Goku from SSJ3 just transformed into a SSJ4 wthout the whole tail pushing and all the other things __________________