Senzu_Bean

Probably SSj2 actually. Though that doesn't mean he can't return to his base form as he actually did.

Do you mind explain why?! Seeing how SSj(2) Vegeta actually did better against Super #17 than SSj Goku did, I don't know how do you think that.

stefzed54

SSJ2? Since when was there SSJ2 in GT? Please explain that.

Even if there was a SSJ2 Vegeta, you think he's stronger than Kid Buu?

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Senzu_Bean

Don't tell me you are another one who think SSj2 doesn't exist in DBGT? Every time Vegeta had reason to give his maximum in DBGT he was a SSj2 and the prove is the final fight with Yin Xing Long since you can see lighting in Vegeta's aura. More just like at this pic: http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1738/ipic6792dl5.jpg Vegeta is clearly SSj2 in there seeing his hair is so much divided (a SSj2 trait).

Of course SSj2 Vegeta is stronger than Chibi Buu. He would be just a bit weaker than SSj2 Goku just like in DBZ. So even his SSj form would be stronger than Chibi Buu. More SSj Vegeta challenged SSj Goku in the tournament episode for a fight. Why would Vegeta challenged Goku if he was weaker than him?

stefzed54

Dont get me wrong, I'm open to the fact that there is SSJ2 In DBGT :)

But too think SSJ2 Vegeta is anywhere in Kid Goku's league is just plain weird. GT was all about Goku not Vegeta, you think over the 10 year perioid Vegeta got 6x stronger? No that's more like Goku.

The difference between Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta is huge. SSJ2 Vegeta in GT wouldnt stand a chance against Kid Buu, the gap was too big, and in GT all Vegeta looked like he did was stand around and perm his facial hair. He didnt train hardcore like Goku did.

Kid Goku: 1,000
SSJ2 Vegeta: 488

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Senzu_Bean

0_o How do you explain Vegeta did a better work against Super #17 than SSj Goku or even Majuub? How do you explain how SSj4 Vegeta is at par with SSj4 Son Goku?

More DBGT producers stated that Vegeta had close the gap between him and Gohan in the beginning of DBGT.

Devilz

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Senzu_Bean

He does?! I don't think he does. Doesn't matter really. That is the least part of my post that explain SSj2 exist in DBGT.

stefzed54

Super 17 was toying with SSJ/SSJ2 Vegeta, whatever you want.

The only one he fought seriously with was Goku..

SSJ4 Vegeta isnt on par with SSJ4 Goku....

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Majuub

Because GT is retard and it doesn't make sense that SSJ4 Vegeta is on par with SSJ4 Goku because base Goku was always MUCH stronger than base Vegeta. In GT the difference is even more drastic. They found a crappy way to get Vegeta SSJ4 so they could make SSJ4 Gogeta. That's why I hate GT above everything else.

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Senzu_Bean

That is why they both could fuse right?

SSJ4 Vegito

Well I personally think that Baby's power inside a Saiyan body DOES multiply someones power. Everything makes much better sense that way and Gt's logic can actually be credible this way. The way I see it is the difference between Possessed SSJ2 Bebi-Vegeta is basically more then a theoretical SSJ3 Vegeta. Since Goku (GT) is still stronger than Vegeta, however 1st form Baby is around SSJ3 Kid Goku (GT). However I believe it's much greater when Baby chooses a permanent host, however Baby is still made SSJ Gohan much stronger against Base Vegeta then Base Goku. So now its quite possible for Vegeta and Goku to be close together when it comes to strength and it makes much more sense considering that Goku & Vegeta both trained over the 20 year break.

SRP76

I think Baby has three steps to taking a host, and the power increases each time:

1. Simple possession. The victim does not change in appearance whatsoever, and his power doesn't change. Baby is only controlling him. Example: Goten. When Baby himself leaves any victim, leaving only his egg, this is the form taken. Example: almost everyone on Earth.

2. Merging of bodies. The victim is physically merged with Baby, and takes on a Tuffle-hybrid appearance. His power level skyrockets as a result of this merging between the host's body and that of Baby. Example: Vegeta.

3. Complete Tuffle transformation. The victim's entire being is consumed, and takes on the appearance of a full Tuffle. His power level grows beyond any previous level. Example: "Super" Baby-Vegeta.

Senzu_Bean

I agree with your post SRP76 though I believe when Bebi is inside of someone's body (like Gohan) that body is stronger than if just an egg would be inside of him.

Unruly_Saiyajin

Vegeta was always close to or the same power as Goku. If the difference was as big as anyone said it was how is it possible that they could fuse? In my eyes Vegeta is awesome and could kick Goku's ass any time. However, in GT we really only saw Goku's story what about Vegeta? He could have been training the whole time Goku was in space!

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stefzed54

He lowered his power level enough to fuse with Vegeta.

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