burningvegeta

It's not really a verse! Hello everyone how’s it going? Though the reason of this topic is I’m tired of people confusing me, and people typing on something of hand to the required subject because of significance of a few words. This topic has been spawned from me having rather large conversations with the great Senzu_Bean. After our conversations he simply concluded that he did not agree or see my logic for what reason I don’t know. Though I do know what I was telling him to me was effective and straight forward. Although this post isn't just aimed at him, it could be aimed at you if you use the Full Power terminology; for Mastered Super Saiyan.

The topic subject is “Should the terms Full Power Super Saiyan 1 be classified with the Mastered Super Saiyan state?”
-Should the term Full Power or Mastered be used?

Things to know:
-FPSSj means Full Power Super Saiyan.
-MSSj means Mastered Super Saiyan.

Left a poll to see how hard I’ll have to face palm [/joke]. Though if you don’t have a clue what you’re going on about please refrain from posting. Though everyone is well and truly welcome; as everybody is sensible in the Dragonball GT section.

Son Goku stated what benefits he would receive from his training in the Hyperbolic time chamber (RoSaT) and he then showed the fruits of his new powers to Korin and Perfect Cell. Nowhere did he say that he would gain Full Power of the Super Saiyan transformation. Fans then go to say Son Goku mastered the form as he no longer had any of the regular drawbacks the state provided giving the term Mastered Super Saiyan. Though many people like to use the term Full Power that I cannot grasp the understanding of why.

Regular Super Saiyan drawbacks were:
-Change in personality.
-Excess loss in Ki whilst in the form.
-Transformation into the state consumed a reasonable amount of energy.

Benefits of Mastered Super Saiyan:
-Dramatic increase of power.
-Easier Ki control.
-Creation of another suitable base.
-Reduced energy consumption.
-Regular behavior.

Mastering the Super Saiyan state will increase the users’ performance. Thus having the word Master in front of Super Saiyan would have more sense than putting Full Power as if Son Goku had only gained full power of the state he wouldn’t have been able to fight at full power prior to RoSaT no?

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Originally Posted by Google definition of the word: Full containing as much or as many as is possible or normal; "a full glass"; "a sky full of stars"; "a full life"; "the auditorium was full to ...

The power is full, full is the power. If Super Saiyan was full as such it would not be able to decrease its power. Son Goku would remain at such a level of power whilst in the Super Saiyan state. In context of the use of words. Which I feel more strongly than ever has been chosen wrong. Having the word Boosted Super Saiyan would explain the Mastered state more than Full Power. A Mastered Super Saiyan’s strength would not come to a halt once mastering the state as this would be illogical as we all know Son Goku’s MSSj got stronger.

In a Super Saiyan context what does Full Power mean?
-Fighting with 100% of their power, no holding back.
-Using all of your power to fight.
-For Son Goku this would be Super Saiyan 4. As that’s the limit of his power in transformation wise, and will enable him to fight with all his power.

Now becoming a Mastered Super Saiyan will not make you fight at your maximum. It simply cannot. You can achieve the full powers of Super Saiyan when you’re a regular Super Saiyan. Fighting at your Full Power is no sweat. Son Goku did not state this (it granted the user Full Power), so why are people using FPSSj to say one is fighting at the Mastered state level. For Pete’s sake Piccolo can fight at Full Power thus if its going to be used its not a Saiyan form and shouldn’t be associated with one. It's a universal status as I said Piccolo can achieve it, as can Majin Buu though regardless of this fact we don't need to put FP Majin Buu.

In response you may say:

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Originally Posted by gkrt Yeah but there are loads of different Super Saiyans now. Including the newest called "NSSJ".

Though I’ll say:

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Originally Posted by burningvegeta Hmm I've haven't even read that topic yet. I'm saving it for my tea and biscuits lmao. Seriously though I read the opening post from Madness and it was okay from what I can remember. It means what its suppose to mean, Full Power does not mean Mastered when it comes down to the liberal view.

Now hopefully this really long thread will help you refrain from using the term Full Power as it makes no sense and use the correct name Mastered.
It's annoying to me, and this must stop, your thoughts.

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king omega

o my.
ya I'll post something later.

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Yesterday seems as though it never existed
Death greets me warm, now I will just say good-bye

Senzu_Bean

Love thread's name. Though you forgot to post in the poll both option since that is what I think.

G.O.A.T.

MSSJ

Full is fighting at your limit, your limit can get bigger.
A full shot glass is very small yet it is full it can't hold anymore. A pint glass with the same amount is like two fghters fighting at the same strength but the pint glass can get stronger but the shot glass can't.

If this makes sense.

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Kai Hiwatari

MSSJ.

To me, FPSSJ is just a SSJ that's reached his full power but can't continue in full power forever. MSSJ is the full potential of the SSJ form while being able to sustain full power for a much longer period of time than the FPSSJ -- it's basically what the title is, mastery of the SSJ form, while FPSSJ is a just a fully powered SSJ. That's all I got for now.

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Zer0

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burningvegeta

Used GT section as the full power of Son Goku would be SSj4 instead of SSj3.
-Done Senzu (needs to be seen who voted what though). Zer0 can you make the poll public please?
-It seems I really wasn't alone with my opinion.

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Senzu_Bean

Just to add my view I see it like this: how you attain the full power of Super Saiyan-jin form? By mastering it! Thus it can be either way, or Mastered SSj or Full-Power SSj.

burningvegeta

Thats the point, you can't. Mastering the form will not make it your full power. Mastering the Super Saiyan state enhances it.

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G.O.A.T.

Anyone can fight at full power its there full power its different for everyone.

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Senzu_Bean

Wait! But for you to could use all power of the SSj form you need to mastered it. That is why mastering SSj is powerful than its grades.

remixremix

mssj ...one more point for burning vegeta

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Zer0

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Senzu_Bean

I want an option for both MSSj and FPSSj since I believe both are correct and like this I can't decide in which to vote.

burningvegeta

Regardless its still not full power. You can use all you power in terms there in no draw backs.

Drawbacks:
Regular Super Saiyan: