Feel My Full Power! - Senzu_Bean Vs burningvegeta [Round 2] - Page 3

Madness · 04-16-2008

Well not really. I never said that you could ascend higher, I said that the MSSJ state itself could very easily get stronger again. Makes sense to me.

Senzu_Bean · 04-16-2008

Get stronger how? Just with training?

Madness · 04-16-2008

Yup. Training, anything that increases power.

Senzu_Bean · 04-16-2008

Training doesn't prove your point since you are already in your highest form of SSj. You can't go higher than MSSj or FPSSj except increase your power in that form.

Madness · 04-16-2008

Agreed. Except that my definition of "Full Powered" differs hugely from yours. Full power is relative. Goku was a FPSSJ against Freeza.

Senzu_Bean · 04-16-2008

Though what you referring to is a Super Saiyan at full power not a full power Super Saiyan.

I think it is quite different but this is just me.

Madness · 04-16-2008

Fair enough. We both see it as a different thing. I see no difference between a Super Saiyan at full power and a Full Power Super Saiyan.

Senzu_Bean · 04-16-2008

Same here! Each have their opinions and those opinions are different. What matter is you believe in something and have arguments to back up your theory.

Madness · 04-16-2008

Exactly. We'll never be able to agree 100%, so shall we just leave it here?

/shake hands

Senzu_Bean · 04-16-2008

*shake hands. Though I still want to see burningvegeta's reply.

BurningVegeta · 04-16-2008

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Originally Posted by Senzu_Bean

There you have! A Super Saiyan not a Super Saiyan 2, 3 or 4. A SSj at his strongest is a MSSj.

Maybe so, I diverted the topic, forget about it.

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Originally Posted by Senzu_Bean

Pure speculation. We never saw that happen or even if that could happen. It is the same saying you can mastered the SSj2 form though since we never saw anyone do it we can't use this.

The result of Mastered Super Saiyan is to use as little energy as possible. The form itself needs to utilize all of the Ki, so it has going in factors, and not any going out. So the term Full Power shouldn't be used at all, but rather Ki Full; as when fighting energy will be lost regardless of what actions or performed. Though each and every single bit of Ki will be accounted for as everything is control, what's used and how. A Mastered Super Saiyan can account for every single bit of his energy. Nothing can do this except the Mastered state. If it had not been mastered, but maximized Full Power, whilst fighting you would loose energy twice as fast. More energy equals less control for Super Saiyans anyway.

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Originally Posted by Senzu_Bean

Goku preferred mastering the SSj form instead of SSj Grades probably because it was physical impossible for someone master such form with immense chi dropped.

Maybe so, though I feel Son Goku only dismissed the idea, or didn't begin to contemplate it because as soon as he entered the form he felt he could make it stronger by just charging up. As he couldn't do this in his regular Super Saiyan form.

Using you Ki to increase your power level is such an easy step although you have it you can just be an easy target i.e Super Saiyan Grade 3 Mirai Trunks. I have to conclude gaining full power from powering up is impossible. It's impossible for a being to have its capacity full, it may become a narrow tunnel that is easily widened by transformations, emotional discharges, and Zenkais; but having a transformation and making it full with Ki is impossible. A Mastered Super Saiyan will never become at its Full Power as their is none.

feon2 · 04-17-2008

MSSJ sounds a lot better to me.

BurningVegeta · 04-17-2008

As it does to I. Although does the meaning provide you with greater understanding than Full Power?

View Poll Results: Should it be called Mastered Super Saiyan or Full Power Super Saiyan?
Mastered Super Saiyan [MSSj]	11	84.62%
Full Power Super Saiyan [FPSSj]	2	15.38%
Voters: 13. You may not vote on this poll

04-16-2008	#32 (permalink)
Senzu_Bean (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,963 Rep Power: 11	Re: Feel My Full Power! - Senzu_Bean Vs burningvegeta [Round 2] Get stronger how? Just with training?

04-16-2008	#34 (permalink)
Senzu_Bean (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,963 Rep Power: 11	Re: Feel My Full Power! - Senzu_Bean Vs burningvegeta [Round 2] Training doesn't prove your point since you are already in your highest form of SSj. You can't go higher than MSSj or FPSSj except increase your power in that form.

04-16-2008	#36 (permalink)
Senzu_Bean (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,963 Rep Power: 11	Re: Feel My Full Power! - Senzu_Bean Vs burningvegeta [Round 2] Though what you referring to is a Super Saiyan at full power not a full power Super Saiyan. I think it is quite different but this is just me.

04-16-2008	#38 (permalink)
Senzu_Bean (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,963 Rep Power: 11	Re: Feel My Full Power! - Senzu_Bean Vs burningvegeta [Round 2] Same here! Each have their opinions and those opinions are different. What matter is you believe in something and have arguments to back up your theory.

04-16-2008	#40 (permalink)
Senzu_Bean (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,963 Rep Power: 11	Re: Feel My Full Power! - Senzu_Bean Vs burningvegeta [Round 2] *shake hands. Though I still want to see burningvegeta's reply.

04-17-2008	#42 (permalink)
feon2 (13) Great Ape Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 286 Rep Power: 2	Re: Feel My Full Power! - Senzu_Bean Vs burningvegeta [Round 2] MSSJ sounds a lot better to me.