Buu Arc and GT Ratios - Page 2

Senzu_Bean · 04-16-2008

Vegeta isn't stronger than Goku but equal or a bit weaker than him.

Prince Vegeta · 04-16-2008

Bye the way, Super Boo is not weaker than SSJ3 Gotenks. He is either slightly above or equal with.

Senzu_Bean · 04-16-2008

I think it is right assume Super Buu was indeed weaker than Gotenks as it is to assume he is equal to him.

IIRC Super Buu never stated he was holding back against SSj3 Gotenks and he would be destroyed if the fusion of the boys didn't end.

apocalypse1280 · 04-16-2008

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Originally Posted by Senzu_Bean

No he isn't. You are probably basing this opinion in the scene where SSj Goku managed to throw Super #17 around the world and Vegeta wasn't capable of hit him though you can notice that Super #17 was just joking with Goku until he start owned him. We have to use logical in here: since Uub w/Majin Buu absorbed is stronger than SSj3 Goku and his hits didn't nothing to Super #17.

I would agree with "scabab" that SSJ Kid Goku is stronger then SSJ2 Vegeta. The reason is simple, SSJ Kid Goku fought evenly with General Rilldo who is stronger than Buu. SSJ2 Vegeta couldn't beat any of the different forms of Buu, ever.

apocalypse1280 · 04-16-2008

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Originally Posted by Senzu_Bean

I think it is right assume Super Buu was indeed weaker than Gotenks as it is to assume he is equal to him.

IIRC Super Buu never stated he was holding back against SSj3 Gotenks and he would be destroyed if the fusion of the boys didn't end.

Quoted for truth.

Prince Vegeta · 04-16-2008

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Originally Posted by Senzu_Bean

I think it is right assume Super Buu was indeed weaker than Gotenks as it is to assume he is equal to him.

IIRC Super Buu never stated he was holding back against SSj3 Gotenks and he would be destroyed if the fusion of the boys didn't end.

I disagree. He did state that when he sensed Gohan, he was outraged because there was someone stronger than him (or something along those lines). He made no such a statement regarding Gotenks which leads me to believe that he is either stronger or equal to him. I think he was holding back.

apocalypse1280 · 04-17-2008

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Originally Posted by Prince Vegeta

I disagree. He did state that when he sensed Gohan, he was outraged because there was someone stronger than him (or something along those lines). He made no such a statement regarding Gotenks which leads me to believe that he is either stronger or equal to him. I think he was holding back.

I see what you're saying but I think you're forgetting the fact that SSJ3 Gotenks had Super Buu finished. By no stretch of the imagination does that make Super Buu stronger, by being on the brink of being destroyed. Now I will say this, Super Buu did say that to Gohan, but it was after Gohan already whooped his ass and made it apparent that he stood no chance. Of course the difference in strength wasn't that great between SSJ3 Gotenks and Super Buu, thats why I agreed with =>(equal/slightly greater then). I'm not trying to get into a big thing either. I think it's clear as day/evident but everyones gonna look at it they way they want..... usually within reason(remixremix) lol.

scabab · 04-17-2008

Well this is fireicemix from IMDB, (i made the ratios) and scabab said he doesnt really use this site so he gave me the password and stuff.

Anway, i made some edits, i included, Rildo and Uub, i raised Vegetas ratios as a whole and increased Super 17.

I heard one of you say Super 17 was joking when he fought SS1 Goku, so if serious he could have beaten him in 1 hit.

Now a question.

Do you think SS2 Vegeta (GT) is stronger than Kid Buu, Super Buu and SS1 Kid Goku GT?

scabab · 04-17-2008

Check Rildo and Uubs ratios i dont know if thats right, was SS1 Kid Goku stronger than Rildo 3rd Form?

scabab · 04-17-2008

Another question was Vegeta a SS2 when he fought Super 17?

Prince Vegeta · 04-17-2008

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Originally Posted by apocalypse1280

I see what you're saying but I think you're forgetting the fact that SSJ3 Gotenks had Super Buu finished. By no stretch of the imagination does that make Super Buu stronger, by being on the brink of being destroyed. Now I will say this, Super Buu did say that to Gohan, but it was after Gohan already whooped his ass and made it apparent that he stood no chance. Of course the difference in strength wasn't that great between SSJ3 Gotenks and Super Buu, thats why I agreed with =>(equal/slightly greater then). I'm not trying to get into a big thing either. I think it's clear as day/evident but everyones gonna look at it they way they want..... usually within reason(remixremix) lol.

I see where ur getting that from but i gues to each his own.

Senzu_Bean · 04-17-2008

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Originally Posted by apocalypse1280

I would agree with "scabab" that SSJ Kid Goku is stronger then SSJ2 Vegeta. The reason is simple, SSJ Kid Goku fought evenly with General Rilldo who is stronger than Buu. SSJ2 Vegeta couldn't beat any of the different forms of Buu, ever.

We don't know if Vegeta isn't no longer strong than Chibi Buu in DBGT. The only things I know is Vegeta was confronting Goku at the end of the tournament in DBGT and both are at SSj. So they probably are around the same power. More it was stated by DBGT producers that the reason why they replaced "Bebi-Vegeta" by "Bebi-Gohan" (how was supposed to be in the beginning) not just because a Vegeta vs. Goku would be more thrilling but also because Vegeta closed the gap between him and Gohan at DBGT time. Now if they are referring to DBGT Gohan or DBZ Gohan I don't know.

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I heard one of you say Super 17 was joking when he fought SS1 Goku, so if serious he could have beaten him in 1 hit.

Do you think SS2 Vegeta (GT) is stronger than Kid Buu, Super Buu and SS1 Kid Goku GT?

Most likely since when Super #17 stop toying with him he owned Goku. So if he wanted he would kill him right way.

Probably he is. It is hard to tell if Vegeta is SSj or SSj2 in DBGT though I even think his SSj form would be stronger than Chibi Buu. Stronger than Super Buu and SSj Goku (DBGT) I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by scabab

Another question was Vegeta a SS2 when he fought Super 17?

Even if he didn't actually look like one he probably was one.

apocalypse1280 · 04-17-2008

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Originally Posted by Senzu_Bean

The only things I know is Vegeta was confronting Goku at the end of the tournament in DBGT and both are at SSj.

I was gonna say the same thing. I don't think Goku would have went SSJ unless he felt it would at least even the fight out. I'm not of the notion, as others are, that Vegeta stopped training in between Z and GT. Theres no way he'd ever stop training and trying to be equal or better then Goku. The fact that Goku knew his SSJ would at least be equal to Vegeta's SSJ, the fact that Baby's power surpassed that of SSJ3 when he possessed Vegeta, and the fact that Vegeta was able to control and maintain the power of SSJ4, even though never being SSJ3, I think shows that he trained between Z and GT. And that his "powered up" SSJ was at least equal to Goku's normal SSJ state.

scabab · 04-18-2008

Ok ive edited yet again, however this time ive pretty much changed everyone, as a whole though ive lowered Gotenks down by 40% and thats brought everything else about DBZ down.

As for DBGT, i lowered Gokus SS1-SS2 multiplyer down from x4 to x3 and thats brought all that down.

Devilz · 04-19-2008

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Originally Posted by scabab

SS4 Goku (Surpassed Limits) - 1,400,000
SS4 Vegeta - 1,300,000

SS4 Goku (weakened) – 500,000
SS4 Vegeta (weakened) – 400,000

They got that much weaker?

04-16-2008	#16 (permalink)
Senzu_Bean (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,707 Rep Power: 5	Re: Buu Arc and GT Ratios Vegeta isn't stronger than Goku but equal or a bit weaker than him.

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Senzu_Bean (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,707 Rep Power: 5	Re: Buu Arc and GT Ratios I think it is right assume Super Buu was indeed weaker than Gotenks as it is to assume he is equal to him. IIRC Super Buu never stated he was holding back against SSj3 Gotenks and he would be destroyed if the fusion of the boys didn't end.

04-17-2008	#23 (permalink)
scabab (11) Student of Lord Kaio Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 192 Rep Power: 1	Re: Buu Arc and GT Ratios Well this is fireicemix from IMDB, (i made the ratios) and scabab said he doesnt really use this site so he gave me the password and stuff. Anway, i made some edits, i included, Rildo and Uub, i raised Vegetas ratios as a whole and increased Super 17. I heard one of you say Super 17 was joking when he fought SS1 Goku, so if serious he could have beaten him in 1 hit. Now a question. Do you think SS2 Vegeta (GT) is stronger than Kid Buu, Super Buu and SS1 Kid Goku GT?

04-17-2008	#24 (permalink)
scabab (11) Student of Lord Kaio Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 192 Rep Power: 1	Re: Buu Arc and GT Ratios Check Rildo and Uubs ratios i dont know if thats right, was SS1 Kid Goku stronger than Rildo 3rd Form?

04-17-2008	#25 (permalink)
scabab (11) Student of Lord Kaio Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 192 Rep Power: 1	Re: Buu Arc and GT Ratios Another question was Vegeta a SS2 when he fought Super 17?

04-18-2008	#29 (permalink)
scabab (11) Student of Lord Kaio Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 192 Rep Power: 1	Re: Buu Arc and GT Ratios Ok ive edited yet again, however this time ive pretty much changed everyone, as a whole though ive lowered Gotenks down by 40% and thats brought everything else about DBZ down. As for DBGT, i lowered Gokus SS1-SS2 multiplyer down from x4 to x3 and thats brought all that down.