The Green Dragon

Ok i've gotta know, where was it ever actually officially stated that Broly's power grows at a constant rate?

Please, someone make me look like a fool and prove to me it's official.

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Evil Vegeta

After kickin everyone around, Broly stated "that is chi was rising, and overflowing". He had to unleash most of it because it was too much. He di the same exact thing a bit later as well. These were just random, so his power does rise.

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HerrGeiger

Well, if its not a constant rate, how the hell did he power up to transform? I'm not referring to his power rising all the time. I don't believe that. I believe that it LLEVELS off and stays the same. The leveling off is when Broly is exhibiting the removal of energy via the green beams coming out of his body.

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SRP76

If he was getting rid of ki, then his power sure was NOT rising. If it were, then it would be able to use all the ki it could get. There would be no "overflowing".

Just because you pour too much water into a glass and it spills over, does NOT mean the glass is getting bigger.

And as far as "he gets stronger until he reaches his max, then stops", everybody does that. It's not anything out of the ordinary.

Vegerotto

His chi rises, as water being filled into a glass rises. The same way water in a glass can overflow, so can his chi, shown when he expels it in order to prevent himself from overflowing. His power doesn't increase, only his chi. Just like how Androids has infinite chi, but that doesn't mean their actual power is infinite.

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SSJ4 Vegito

Very nice Broly. I enjoyed it, however I would like to address certain areas of it that I disagree with.
I don't believe that Goku & Gohan were Mastered SSJs for a few reasons:
1. I noticed how you mentioned the Lost Movie or the "OVA" and how Goku made a comparison to Broly. However in that movie Trunks has Short hair like he did right after his battle with Cell & he was dressed in Saiyan Armor. However in Movie 9 he is dressed in his Capsule Corporation Clothes yet he has long hair. Regarding Mister Satan being mentioned and how they didn't meet him until after the Cell Games. Which isn't quite right Krillin & Yamcha were watching TV (Only once in the Manga) but a few times in the anime and they saw him show off and claim he'd beat Cell. Piccolo & Tien were also shown watching TV for the Cell Games, and with Gohan and Krillin hanging out at the lookout most likely they watched a little bit of TV so maybe Piccolo saw him then.
2. Another reason why is because, of Gohan's performance. He was actually told to run away during the fight with Broly. You might say Goku did that because, it was his son however your forgetting that during the Cell Games Goku knew what would happen if anyone pushed Gohan over the edge. He had no problem watching Gohan in Cell's bearhug. So basically if Broly were to personally torture Gohan then Gohan would probably have wounded Broly quite abit. It's not just that though Gohan should AT LEAST be able to keep up with Goku. I mean Goku received the most punishment and yet he lasted the longest so basically we could tell that Goku was the strongest, where as Piccolo actually did better than Gohan. On a side-note I think that during most of the movie Piccolo was in the ROSAT (Since he was absent for the first 3 quarters of the movie which takes place over the course of at least one day) since this is a different timeline and different things happen take Movie 3 for example: Gohan is on earth with a PL of 10,000 and Goku has one of 30,000 there was never a moment in the Manga where this was possible. Also in Movie 9 Gohan in MSSJ form actually held his own against Transformed Bojack where as Vegeta didn't land one hit on Base Bojack. Piccolo was beaten in seconds by Base Bojack unlike Gohan. So there has to be SOME difference between Movie 8 Gohan & Movie 9 Gohan.
Also I don't think Trunks catching Majin Buu off guard is a good judgment for his strength seeing as how Buu was completely off guard.

Senzu_Bean

About your point one you have to considered that the "OVA" is actually before Bojack's movie and after Cell Games. IIRC Trunks got his short haircut before return to his timeline thus making this possible.

Regarding your second point I just want to say you need to remember that Broly was miles way from all them regarding power.

SSJ4 Vegito

Wait a second are you saying that the "OVA" was AFTER the Cell Games? If you are then I disagree since Goku is alive. There were only 2 times when Trunks cut his hair:
1. Right before going to the lookout.
2. After he beats the Androids.

Now since the OVA is BEFORE the Bojack movie that means that he had to have had time for his hair to grow back at least thats what makes the most sense to me. So basically he had Saiyan armor until the end of the Cell Games and due to the fact that he doesn't in Movie 9 (Which is after the Cell Games & the OVA apparently isn't)
Yes, I understand that Broly is stronger than everyone but assuming they are all at their Cell Game level in both Movie 8 & Movie 9. Then how does Gohan go from being able to hold his own against Transformed Bojack. Now let's look at how Vegeta did, he got creamed by Normal Bojack not quite as badly as his beating as Broly however the he's still at least on par with Broly (They both were smiling during their fights) Now considering how Bojack was watching SSJ Gohan fight his minions he said that he couldn't beat him no matter how hard he tried HOWEVER we later see Bojack transform right after he beats Vegeta. Then while Trunks is paralyzed he nearly kills him with an Energy blast. Now this Bojack is ALOT stronger than the Bojack that Vegeta fought and yet Bojack actually said something like this: "You fought well kid, I commend you" meaning Gohan was a decent match for Transformed Bojack so really there just HAS to be a difference between Movie 8 Gohan & Movie 9 Gohan. I mean everyone else besides Gohan were all nothing to Bojack.
Bojack gave a brutal beating to the Z Fighters (Just as Broly did) but Gohan gave much more resistence so if he was a MSSJ in Movie 8 then he should at least have been able to last as long as Goku did. So really the gap between a MSSJ Gohan & Vegeta were shown to have a MUCH larger gap in Movie 9 then in Movie 8. So don't you think Gohan would have at LEAST been able to do as well or at least close to how Goku did against Broly which was considerably better than any other Z Fighter and Gohan at least should have been on par with Goku, which he wasn't. So that's why I think they're not MSSJs in the first Broly Movie. Also Gohan stated in Movie 10 that he'd gotten stronger than he was since he last fought Broly and he was in Base Form so he probably wasn't talking about SSJ2.

Broly

1. What your not understanding about the movies is that they don't take place at a particular time in the canon story. They are side stories, made purely for entertainment. The fact that Trunks' hair was short, means nothing, since Goku was already out of the RoSaT by the time he had any contact with Trunks and his new haircut. But like I said, the movies don't take place in any particular time in the canon story, the movies only take the characters and some of the key elements from which the characters come from in the canon story, and place them in a what-if scenario, worthy of pushing their current ability and power to the extent at which it would give a good show.

2. It's not my fault if Goku didn't tell his son to get angry. Apparently, Goku didn't think about it, and Toei and Toriyama-sensei share different views, as a DBZ Movie is made to fit a non-canon script writer's plot. The facts from the manga supposrt my claim yet, along with other various evidences. Another thing you must consider is that Goku really had no time to stop and think, let alone dodge Broly's attacks. Didn't you see the part where he's chasing them through the canyon? Goku could barely flee. That's the difference between Broly's power, and Gohan's power basically. Gohan was beaten easily by Broly. He couldn't even keep conscious after the first assault. How's he gonna muster enough strength to get angry when he was beaten the way he was? If it wasn't for the Senzu Beans and Piccolo, Broly would've just killed everybody. What I'm trying to say is, he's stronger than MSSj Gohan at that point. I'm not saying that Gohan couldn't become SSj2 if the oppurtunity for such a feat were to arise.

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SRP76

You tried to use canon elements in your arguments.

Broly

I never said they couldn't be used to support an argument, I just said that the Movie stories do not take place at a certain point in the canon version. The characters are derived from a certain point in the story, but the events of the Movie do not occur at a certain point in the canon story whatsoever. I just felt he had not that concept. But to answer his question, even by the time Yamcha and Krillen saw Mr. Satan on TV, Goku and Gohan had already come out of the RoSaT. And this is what supports my theory.

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SSGokuTim

You're forgetting something. Toei has the nasty habit of always making Goku the hero. He's my all time favorite character, but even I know that Toei are a bunch of Goku fanboys. Would you really put it past them to ignore the fact that MSSJ Gohan is stronger than MSSJ Goku, just because they want Goku to be the hero again? They've done it numerous times before, why not in movie 8?

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SSJ4 Vegito

Yes that's true but they aren't Piccolo fanboys or anything like that. Piccolo actually was head butted kick across the floor kicked into the air and blasted by Broly, and he only has a few scratches where as Gohan didn't put up that resistence. If Gohan was a MSSJ I would just think he might at least do better than Piccolo who is at his Cell Game Level (Since I think he was training in the ROSAT during the day they were on "New Vegeta" which would also explain where he was for most of the Movie)

Super_17

Broly was probably near ssj2 in movie 8 but his body couldnt control the power thats why he released the energy and also if you remember when he transformed to Legendary Status, his body exploded with energy.

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