Jay

While I agree the multiplier does decrease the further up the forms you go, it doesn't decrease THAT much.


I mean for heavens sake, Ssj1 Goku GT was more powerful than Ssj3 Goku Z.

Meaning that Ssj3 Goku GT is probably around... Ssj5 Goku Z if such form ever existed.

Meaning Ssj4 Goku GT is like... Ssj6 Goku Z.

Sorry for the use of AF, but I need to bring this point across.

If Super Saiyan 6 existed, it is more than enough to handle a Super Saiyan 1 fusion.

Just because Vegeto is immensly strong in his base DOESN'T MEAN his Super Saiyan 1 form overpowers everything including the highest unfused Super Saiyan 4 power.

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Ryat!

This is how characters become overrated.

Vegito is strong, but not stronger than SSj4 Gokuu.

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Jay

It's a shame because Super Vegeto is the most powerful canon character in DBZ and also one of the most awesome.

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Dark Skywalker

Vegito on this one

Jay

... however DBGT isn't canon and neither is Ssj4. And Super Saiyan 4 is still more powerful than a Super Saiyan 1 fusion.

This is comparing Ssj3 Goku (Z)/Ssj1 Goku (GT) to Ssj4 Goku (GT). The difference in power is epic.


Even if Vegeto is stronger than Ssj1 Goku (GT), it doesn't make him stronger than Ssj4 Goku (GT).

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Madness

I had forgotten about the huge godmod that Goku had gotten. A SSJ4 from Z wouldn't be anywhere near as strong as SSJ Vegito.

But GT Goku... he's stronger than God =/

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Astner

Brother, I don't see the how.

Son-Goku was as powerful as Oob at the begining of the series. Remember they've traied for seven years since the final chapter of Dragonball Z, which happens a long time after the fight with Majin Boo.

Pan wasn't in Boo saga, heck Videru wasn't even pregntent--Son-Gohan and Videru was 16 years old! And Pan was four years in the final chapter.
Lets say that it was ten years in-between the final chapter in Dragonball Z and Boo saga.
Oob was nine years old, one year in the womb, spend one year as a infant (zero years old). That's about ten years, which would be fitting as Son-Gohan then became a dad at 21-22.
Now under these suposedly ten years, what did you think Son-Goku was doing?

So he trained for about ten years, he met up with Oob. Promissed him that he would help him retain his old strength (the strength of Chibi Boo).
And then spent seven years training with Oob.

And then stated "He over-qualified", meaning Oob was greater than Son-Goku had predicted, greater than the original power of Chibi Boo, which by himself was around Super Saiyajin 3 Son-Goku.

Base Son-Goku (DBGT) = Oob (DBGT) > Chibi Boo (DBZ) = SSJ3 Goku (DBZ)

We don't know how much grater, since it wasn't specified, but juding by feats such as trashing the wall of Serguro's dimension, and defeating Seru and Fruiza in their prime forms without any effort, he would easiley surpass Shin Boo and Super Saiyajin 3 Gotenkusu.

Remember, Shin Boo and Super Saiyajin Gotenkusu created a small dimensional rift between the physical plane and the Room of Time and Spirit. As where Goku, in his base destroyed a dimensional wall--permamently.

Base Chibi Goku (DBZ) > SSJ3 Gotenkusu (DBZ) = Shin Boo (DBZ) > SSJ3 Goku (DBZ)

So, chibi Goku's power alone is about Chou Gohan's I would presume (might be lower or it might be higher).
Now going Super Saiyajin, or Super Sayajin 3 would put him awefully close to Boo-han or Bejiito.
As a Super Saiyajin 4 he would by this extend every character in Dragonball Z by far.
This is also confirmed by Elder Kaioshin, as he stated that Son-Goku had attained the most powerful chi he have ever witnessed.

Jay

Quoted for truth.

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Madness

The thing is, I don't see many people as using their full power when they're just sparring. It'd be too dangerous, especially at that level.

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Jay

Well how else would they train to become stronger if they just trained while maintaining a low level?

No pain no gain.

It's like lifting weights, it may be dangerous to increase the KG too much but overtime, if you can handle it and have trained on lower, increasing the KG can be beneficial.

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Astner

Then again, when Oob and Goku sparred they were in another dimension just so that wouldn't destroy the world.

Senzu_Bean

Like TGD said, quoted for truth.

Goku wasn't supposed to be playing with Uub. They are battling at real.

Madness

Good point. So GT is broken then lol nothing new there

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Chariking

SSJ4 Goku>SSJ Vegito

But SSJ2 Vegito might be able to stand upto or even beat SSJ4 Goku

995,000,000,000? lol thats almost a trillion!

Jay