Senzu_Bean

I don't know if this subject was already debated or not but I would like to know if only full blooded Saiyan-jin can attain Super Saiyan 4 because I think I read or heard that it is a requirement of SSj4. So what your knowledge can tell me?


Thanks!

BurningVegeta

My knowledge tells me a half Saiyan half human can turn into a Super Saiyan 4, as there really nothing physical stopping them accept Vegeta's comment, that I don't care to re tell.

Lets use Son Goku as an example for the requirements:
-Saiyan Tail
-Super Saiyan
-Full Moon, or reflection of a large Planet.
-Control the savage mind of your Oozaru state.

Lets take Gohan for instance:
-He had a Saiyan Tail.
-He can turn Super Saiyan in order to create a Super Oozaru.
-He can control himself in certain circumstances: Saiyan Arc

Son Gohan having a tail would be able to turn Super Saiyan 4 as theres nothing stopping him as long as he has a tail. Sees a moon/planet, and is in a Super Saiyan state and then controls his savageness.

....In my thoery any Saiyan with a tail, whom can also turn into a Super Saiyan should be able to turn into a Super Saiyan form.

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Senzu_Bean

But it is true that Vegeta stated only full blooded Saiyans can reach the form? Even in Japanese? I remember heard this but now I don't know in which part it is.


Edit: I remember know! Vegeta concluded that because Bebi didn't transform after went Golden Oozaru. Well if nothing suggest the contrary that must be apply as a fact.

BurningVegeta

Thats what annoys me yeah. WTF does Vegeta know about a Super Saiyan 4. If he knew anything at all he would have transformed into one before Son Goku did, or during the first times Son Goku transformed into one.

I think he said it after he first transformed into one BTW. Dude also remember: I know its another series and all but Vegeta was so confident that he was the legendary Super Saiyan warrior. When he wasn't even close: once again Vegeta was talking rubbish. I like Vegeta, although I do think they made Vegeta talk utter rubbish when he said that in the Frieza Arc. I believe the reason for him to say it might have been to like stop anyone else ascending past him i.e. Son Gohan. As his son was present also and they both have surpassed Vegeta in the past. He wouldn't be able to handle if everyone could do that too, remember how weird he got when he first realized Trunks could transform into a Super Saiyan, and how high and mighty he got before he did when telling him only a really "mighty" warrior could achieve the state. O_o

To conclude this and my theory: Vegeta lies, or makes things up as he goes along. He likes to make himself look epic; and those three comments managed to do so:
-Telling everyone he was the mighty Super Saiyan of legend.
-Telling Chibi Trunks about Super Saiyans.
-Telling everyone only pure blooded Saiyans could achieve the state, ironically only himself and Son Goku are pure Saiyans; as Son Goten, Son Gohan, and Trunks were not.

I've just summed up the facts and inserted my opinion and nothing more. Don't see this as truth but it makes a lot of sense to me and what kind of person Vegeta really is. Greedy. <_<

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Senzu_Bean

After read some stuff wasn't Bulma that actually says this all thing about full blooded Saiyan be a requirement to SSj4?

BurningVegeta

Don't think so she commented on Super Saiyan 5 or something ridiculous like that. Vegeta immediately dismissed her statement with some more Royal Saiyan crap.

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Vizard

I've always thought Bulma's was a dub line. But some people claim it was in the Japanese version of GT also. Anyway, that was just a ridiculous comment because I can't expect Bulma to know more about sayian's than Vegeta himself.

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Darkprince410

Bulma's japanese line for that part of GT was "You may even be able to surpass Super Saiya-jin 4", but she didn't outright say "Super Saiya-jin 5" like what she did in the dub. I agree with BV's assessment on the situation though, as Bejiita's overall knowledge regarding Super Saiya-jin forms and transformations has been shown repeatedly in DBZ to be sorely lacking, so to automatically assume that, in GT, his knowledge on Ssj is now second to none is rather foolish. As for Bulma, last time I checked, she wasn't exactly an expert when it came to Saiya-jin physiology either.

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Darkprince410

If the form is indeed what I've always theorized it as being, then all the Saiya-jin would need in order to manifest the transformation is

1) A tail
2) The Super Saiya-jin transformation (just Ssj1, don't need anything higher)
3) A natural or artificial source to generate the 17,000,000 zeno units of green spectrum radiation needed to induce an Oozaru transformation
4) The force of will to retain their mind against the instinctual savagery of the Oozaru form in order to stay in control, and inact the transformation (by compressing and further controlling the Ssj Oozaru state).

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Senzu_Bean

Well seeing SSj3 form has a blond tail instead of brow tail like SSj and SSj2 forms I believe it is need SSj3 power to be able archive Golden Oozaru not only SSj like most believe.

BurningVegeta

I just see that as a massive plot hole. As if a Saiyan should ever transform into a Super Saiyan it turns every visible hair on the Saiyan's body blonde or gold. Son Goku's tail has hair on which is brown in base, when he transformed into a Super Saiyan it should have gone blonde too. Theres no reason why it dose not occur in Super Saiyan One, but in Super Saiyan Three.

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Senzu_Bean

Plot hole or not it must be considered because it is present more than one time. It also sounds much more logic since Golden Oozaru is like Oozaru a in-between base (in this case SSj3) and SSj (in this case SSj4) forms. Also it can't be said for sure since we only see hair turned blond with SSj form.

Deep Thought

It makes more sense for Gohan or even Vegeta to turn Super Sayajin 4 instead of Goku. Vegeta demonstrated the ability to control his Oozaru form perfectly, and even Gohan attacked Vegeta eventually, so he had mild control over it. Goku, on the other hand, has shown that he has absolutely no control of his Oozaru form. He can't even remember that he has ever been one, until Vegeta harshly reminds him in the Sayajin arc.

SaiyajinPerfection

We can't rely on Toei to say logical stuff, because even with the guidence of Toriyama's manga, they managed to screw up somehow. There is something that does play a role in the ascension to Super Saiyan 4, whether it is good nature or pure blood is unclear. It is more then just gaining control over the Super Oozaru because Bebi Bejita was in full control of his Super Oozaru form and he didn't ascend like Goku did.

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