Full Blooded Saiyan as a requirement to SSj4? - Page 2

Super Ultimate Gohan · 03-14-2008

I also think logic says Gohan and Vegeta would be one not kakarrot. Also I say super saiyan 2 because it would make them more comfortable with super saiyan and being able to transform into a more controlled super saiyan state (which is SS2). And Since in super saiyan 4 you have to have control or you can kiss your ass and the planet your on goodbye.

So I believe if you can go super saiyan 2 which is a controlled state of super saiyan, even more controlled than MSS, it would produce less stress on the body and the energy consumption.

apocalypse1280 · 03-15-2008

I don't think you have to be a full blooded saiyan to become a SSJ4. I understand Baby didn't when he was in Vegeta's body, but as Bulma explained it was because Baby's cells were mixed in with his and I think thats where this whole thread started from. But that has nothing to do with being half human and half saiyan, rather a foreign host(Baby) like a virus tainting the pure blood. The main thing you need to become SSJ4 is a tail, in order to turn Oozaru. Other then that I don't understand the Vegeta bashing and saying his knowledge on SSJ forms and tranformations is wrong when he didn't even say anything in GT about being "pure blooded" in order to become a SSJ4, neither did Bulma for that matter. I mean Vegeta was raised a saiyan and only knew what was told to him, and seeing as how saiyans were cold blooded killers who didn't care about anything, he thought being a cold blooded warrior was the way to achieve anything. How would he think being a kind and gentle fag would give anyone such power, but thats how the story goes so of course he was wrong about somethings, sometimes. He still has more knowledge about saiyans then anyone else. And I think Bulma knows what she's saying, especially seeing as how she built the Bruitz Waves machine in the first place.

Besides, she'll show you her cooch for a Dragon Ball.

Senzu_Bean · 03-15-2008

Then why didn't Vegeta transform in SSj4 when he was possessed by Bebi? There is no reason apart from the full blooded Saiyan theory because like Bebi said he wasn't connect to Vegeta's tail.

Ultimate Gohan are you saying SSj2 form is more stable and controllable than MSSj?

Super Ultimate Gohan · 03-15-2008

I'm just saying from Z SS2 is the ultimate controlled super saiyan forms, you have to train yourselves in super saiyan and super saiyan 3. We saw with Kid Gohan Cell Games it came natural. it did not with SS or SS3.

So yes I am saying that.

BurningVegeta · 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by apocalypse1280

And I think Bulma knows what she's saying, especially seeing as how she built the Bruitz Waves machine in the first place.

Besides, she'll show you her cooch for a Dragon Ball.

Anyway...
Bulma only managed to build such a machine thanks to Bebi's influence in her mind...

Super Ultimate Gohan · 03-15-2008

Yea thanks to the plothole villain bitch known as Bebi.

Evil Vegeta · 03-15-2008

Baby, lol. Fake-ass Captain Ginyu. He was kinda cool, though.

apocalypse1280 · 03-15-2008

I didn't mind Baby. As far as I know Baby didn't make anyone 'smarter' when he possessed them.

I don't know where the hell that came from. Like I said before, Bulma explained it was because Baby's cells were mixed in with his and I think thats where this whole thread started from. But that has nothing to do with being half human and half saiyan, rather a foreign host(Baby) like a virus tainting the pure blood.

~~Cooler's#1fan~~ · 03-15-2008

Yeah... i'm going with full blooded Saiyan being a requirement.

Seeing as we saw 3 Golden Oozarus in the series, and 2 of them (who happened to be full blooded saiyan) went Ssj4 while the other (not full blooded) didn't.

BurningVegeta · 03-15-2008

Pure speculation as you've never seen a Golden Oozaru in a half Saiyan. Plus theres nothing stopping them achieving the state as its so simple.

~~Cooler's#1fan~~ · 03-15-2008

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Pure speculation as you've never seen a Golden Oozaru in a half Saiyan. Plus theres nothing stopping them achieving the state as its so simple.

Ever heard of Bebi Vegeta?

BurningVegeta · 03-15-2008

Is he is a half Saiyan? The answer is no....
-Bebi didn't suppress his power did he, thats the only logical reason he didn't transform into a Super Saiyan 4. If he id he would have, Son Goku said he took control, and suppressed his power to gain power. Bebi did gain control I'll give you that but he did not suppress it.
-Bebi kept getting stronger, thanks to his second hit of Bultz Waves, he was basically becoming stronger like how a Super Saiyan 1 Grade 2 Trunks did against Perfect Cell.
-Super Oozaru + Suppression + Inner Control = Super Saiyan 4.

~~Cooler's#1fan~~ · 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by burningvegeta

Is he a half Saiyan? The answer is no....
-Bebi didn't suppress his power did he, thats the only logical reason he didn't transform into a Super Saiyan 4. If he id he would have, Son Goku said he took control, and suppressed his power to gain power. Bebi did gain control I'll give you that but he did not suppress it.
-Bebi kept getting stronger, thanks to his second hit of Bultz Waves, he was basically becoming stronger like how a Super Saiyan 1 Grade 2 Trunks did against Perfect Cell.
-Super Oozaru + Suppression + Inner Control = Super Saiyan 4.

If you read better, you'll see that I didn't actually use the term 'half sayain' anywhere in my posts.

Also just for correction, Trunks was a Super Saiyan 1 Grade 3 against Perfect Cell.

And your theory is also pure speculation itself too. I still believe heritage of Vegeta changed when Bebi pocessed him.

Super Ultimate Gohan · 03-15-2008

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Yeah... i'm going with full blooded Saiyan being a requirement.

Seeing as we saw 3 Golden Oozarus in the series, and 2 of them (who happened to be full blooded saiyan) went Ssj4 while the other (not full blooded) didn't.

Well then if your going with that, then it would make as much sense if Z ended at the Frieza arc. We would only see kakarrot become a super saiyan, but that wouldn't mean a full blooded saiyan can only achieve it. Like with super saiyan 4, just because only kakarrot and vegeta went super saiyan 4, doesn't mean Gohan, Goten, or Trunks can't. The only reaso they didn't go super saiyan 4, is because they NEVER attempted it.

~~Cooler's#1fan~~ · 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by Super Ultimate Gohan

Well then if your going with that, then it would make as much sense if Z ended at the Frieza arc. We would only see kakarrot become a super saiyan, but that wouldn't mean a full blooded saiyan can only achieve it. Like with super saiyan 4, just because only kakarrot and vegeta went super saiyan 4, doesn't mean Gohan, Goten, or Trunks can't. The only reaso they didn't go super saiyan 4, is because they NEVER attempted it.

You could also argue that using canon logic in a discussion concering DBGT is foolish and pointless.

Basically according to DBGT, Gohan could go Super Saiyan, which he could no longer do after the Mystic power-up.

Due to the excess amount of plotholes in DBGT if someone hasn't done something, it's safe to presume they can't by DBGT logic.

03-14-2008	#16 (permalink)
Super Ultimate Gohan (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,638 Rep Power: 6	Re: Full Blooded Saiyan as a requirement to SSj4? I also think logic says Gohan and Vegeta would be one not kakarrot. Also I say super saiyan 2 because it would make them more comfortable with super saiyan and being able to transform into a more controlled super saiyan state (which is SS2). And Since in super saiyan 4 you have to have control or you can kiss your ass and the planet your on goodbye. So I believe if you can go super saiyan 2 which is a controlled state of super saiyan, even more controlled than MSS, it would produce less stress on the body and the energy consumption. __________________ *"Yes it has been too long, now I am back and better than ever!"*

03-15-2008	#17 (permalink)
apocalypse1280 (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Planet Earth, Home Of The Free Posts: 1,561 Rep Power: 42	Re: Full Blooded Saiyan as a requirement to SSj4? I don't think you have to be a full blooded saiyan to become a SSJ4. I understand Baby didn't when he was in Vegeta's body, but as Bulma explained it was because Baby's cells were mixed in with his and I think thats where this whole thread started from. But that has nothing to do with being half human and half saiyan, rather a foreign host(Baby) like a virus tainting the pure blood. The main thing you need to become SSJ4 is a tail, in order to turn Oozaru. Other then that I don't understand the Vegeta bashing and saying his knowledge on SSJ forms and tranformations is wrong when he didn't even say anything in GT about being "pure blooded" in order to become a SSJ4, neither did Bulma for that matter. I mean Vegeta was raised a saiyan and only knew what was told to him, and seeing as how saiyans were cold blooded killers who didn't care about anything, he thought being a cold blooded warrior was the way to achieve anything. How would he think being a kind and gentle fag would give anyone such power, but thats how the story goes so of course he was wrong about somethings, sometimes. He still has more knowledge about saiyans then anyone else. And I think Bulma knows what she's saying, especially seeing as how she built the Bruitz Waves machine in the first place. Besides, she'll show you her cooch for a Dragon Ball. Last edited by apocalypse1280; 03-15-2008 at 01:47 AM.

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Senzu_Bean (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,963 Rep Power: 11	Re: Full Blooded Saiyan as a requirement to SSj4? Then why didn't Vegeta transform in SSj4 when he was possessed by Bebi? There is no reason apart from the full blooded Saiyan theory because like Bebi said he wasn't connect to Vegeta's tail. Ultimate Gohan are you saying SSj2 form is more stable and controllable than MSSj?

03-15-2008	#19 (permalink)
Super Ultimate Gohan (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,638 Rep Power: 6	Re: Full Blooded Saiyan as a requirement to SSj4? I'm just saying from Z SS2 is the ultimate controlled super saiyan forms, you have to train yourselves in super saiyan and super saiyan 3. We saw with Kid Gohan Cell Games it came natural. it did not with SS or SS3. So yes I am saying that. __________________ *"Yes it has been too long, now I am back and better than ever!"*

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Super Ultimate Gohan (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,638 Rep Power: 6	Re: Full Blooded Saiyan as a requirement to SSj4? Yea thanks to the plothole villain bitch known as Bebi. __________________ *"Yes it has been too long, now I am back and better than ever!"*

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apocalypse1280 (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Planet Earth, Home Of The Free Posts: 1,561 Rep Power: 42	Re: Full Blooded Saiyan as a requirement to SSj4? I didn't mind Baby. As far as I know Baby didn't make anyone 'smarter' when he possessed them. I don't know where the hell that came from. Like I said before, Bulma explained it was because Baby's cells were mixed in with his and I think thats where this whole thread started from. But that has nothing to do with being half human and half saiyan, rather a foreign host(Baby) like a virus tainting the pure blood.

03-15-2008	#24 (permalink)
~~Cooler's#1fan~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 47 Rep Power: 0	Re: Full Blooded Saiyan as a requirement to SSj4? Yeah... i'm going with full blooded Saiyan being a requirement. Seeing as we saw 3 Golden Oozarus in the series, and 2 of them (who happened to be full blooded saiyan) went Ssj4 while the other (not full blooded) didn't.