Broly The LSSJ

In the Ginyu Saga, Vegeta got pounded on by Recoome but after his zenkai, he was able to make quick work of Jeice. After his second, Vegeta was able stand up to Frieza's first form. Goku was at a power level of 180,000 but then shot up to 3 million after his zenkai being able to hold his own against Frieza's final form before turning SSJ.

A huge hole in Broly's chest should guarantee a massive boost in strength upon recovery making him infinately more powerful in Second Coming. A near death experience for a Legendary Super Saiyan is a hell of a lot bigger than that for a normal Saiyan. Since he was already above 100% Perfect Cell, the immense boost made his strength comparable to a very high powered SSJ2.

Thus, he owns any SSJ2 in Movie 10's timeline. Gohan stands no chance once Broly gains enough power and destroys him.

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Jay

You misunderstood, I wasn't agreeing with it, I was criticizing it saying that most Broly fans take non-manga information like that to heart and that they shouldn't.

Sorry for the confusion.

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Originally Posted by burningvegeta Estimated that’s not a cast iron defence for the simple reason its a dodgy estimate, an opinion in truth if its not stated its a lie.

Hell, there's even a huge debate whether Gohan was Ssj or Ssj2 in Movie 10 alone.

Legendary Super Saiyan is a form that Broly took, when he is in Base Saiyan or regular Super Saiyan his body works the same way as every other Base Saiyan and Super Saiyan.

There is no proof to suggest that just because he achieved a certain Ssj form that the Lssj form can grow more powerful than a Ssj2 at near death, he would have to ascend up to further forms to be more powerful than a Ssj2.


And why do people say Broly can beat Gohan in Movie 10? It's wrong, Broly was a affectionless psychopath, Gohan and Goten beat him, simple.

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Broly fans take non-canon material related to Broly to consideration because he exists in the movies. Sometimes you can't rely soley on canonical material when it comes to the Movies.

Broly's LSSj state could very well be capable, in Movie 10, of reaching the SSj2 plateau.

Broly was beaten by 3 SSjs, not just by Gohan and Goten. The way they managed to defeat him was actually a miracle if you include and consider all the factors: One, Goku was wished to the battlefield to help them fight Broly. Two, Trunks happened to shoot up a ki blast before he passed out, blocking Broly ki orb's from reaching the "Mother Sphere". Three, even though the Triple Chou Kamehameha didn't physically touch him, it pushed him straight into the Sun...which is what actually killed him since he was shot through the core.

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Broly The LSSJ

Not true.

Its also a title. Notice the brighter golden hair he has in both forms. Its not the same as the other SSJ's hair. This is one example of how hes different, even when hes not in Legendary form. He comes from the unique breed of LSSJ's and when I say that, I mean as a whole. Not just the form. hence his abnormal power level at birth.

Hes already much superior to any SSJ2 warrior in DBZ when he reaches full power.

And Broly, you're right on how the ending was a miracle.

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BurningVegeta

Broly's hair changed because he was in contact with his Fathers ring, it changed the color of Broly's hair in movie 10 from being green to yellow as it was if it was some kind of radiation from Paragus's ring. Being without the ring what kept Broly's Super Saiyan power supressed his hair went back to normal.

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Senzu_Bean

Well in Movie 8 Broly when transformed in LSSj, he wasn't no longer restricted with his father's ring. There wasn't no reason for his hair be different than his true colour.

Jay

Yeah, the hair colour doesn't mean that the Lssj form is constantly rising in power.

Broly's Restricted Super Saiyan and Regular Super Saiyan forms in theory are exactly the same, the Restricted Super Saiyan acts as a Ssj but is only different in hair colour due to Paragus's control.

The hair went from purple, to blue, to green, then finally after he was free of his father's control he became a true Super Saiyan colour... yellow.

The only difference between Super Saiyan and Restricted Super Saiyan is that it was not possible for Broly to 'ascend' to a different grade in Restricted Super Saiyan, hence the term 'restricted'.

Hell, even the Lssj form had a green tint in hair and aura in Movie 8.

Broly's Super Saiyan form is the same as a regular Super Saiyan form, granted Broly was much more powerful in it. Reasons being Super Saiyan Vegeta not even denting it, and the fact that Broly was born with the minimum power level for a Ssj at birth... and being a Saiyan, his PL grew everytime he fought (and he had a long time to build it up, considering his near death experiences). Still, you have to face that it is still the same as a regular Ssj transformation, and to say it's different just because 'it's Broly' lacks realism.

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Broly The LSSJ

Not what I said.

No shit?
Thats not what I meant...

In Movie 10, just compare his LSSJ hair color to Gohan's during their fight. Its a brighter gold and its the same in his SSJ form too. You can even tell in Tenkaichi 3.

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Vizard

Broly is the most overrated Dragonball character.

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BurningVegeta

-What a waste of a post...No shit to you too.
-Not every Super Saiyan is going to have the same hair color are they?
-Once again DBZ games mean NOTHING!!!!11!!1!!!

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Jay

That often happens to Super Saiyans depending on which one is focusing their ki at a given time.

Even if it is brighter, does that really have to do with anything? Be it brighter or not, in the grand scheme of things, that means nothing, just another characteristic of the Lssj grade.

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Vizard

Videogames are less canon than GT itself.

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Broly The LSSJ

Then let me rephrase. Its of a different yellow tint. You can tell my the green shadows. Gohan's and the others SSJ hair have orange shadows on theirs.

And I brought up this example to show how LSSJ's are different than normal Saiyans so he could very well have gotten a bigger zenkai.

In T3, you can see the different colors if you compare him to another SSJ.

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BurningVegeta

When did hair color mean anything in terms of power or anything else for that matter?
-Apart from the visual appearance of the Super Saiyan states.

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Jay

I see what you mean, but Tenkaichi 3 is largely inaccurate for a start, and the colour of Lssj's hair compared to a normal Ssj doesn't suggest a difference in the effect of a zenkai.

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