Broli threads piss me off

[Prince Vegeta]

Originally Posted by Broly

1. So your basing this off Movie logic alone? If we see that one character seems to be doing fairly well enough to keep up with a stronger one, than in that movie, they're equal, and thus in this case, Mid-RoSaT? I've already told you, that the only reason why Piccolo is of any equal footing with the Zet Senshi is because he too must have been intended as Post-RoSaT for the movie. And the reason why he's shown as a being of similar power status to say maybe one as Goku, is because of Broly's overwhelming superiority. It's the same as stuffing Freeza in with the skirmish between Tien, Yamcha, Zangya, and Bido. He would've been cast aside just as easily.

1. Good point, which brings me to the fact that when Gohan was fighting Dabura and everything thereafter until Boo's hatching, Gohan's hairstyle was the SAME as his counterpart in movie 10. Furthermore we all know that that Gohan in the manga was not a SSJ2 and so we can conclude that the movie 10 one isn't either. Since obviously based off the manga the hair ALONE is NOT an indication.

2. Even IF its Piccolo post rosat he would still be quite weaker than the saiyans (especially Gohan) so that's irrelevent. The only wa y for them to be of equal footing is for the saiyans so all be normal SSJ's.

[Broly]

Originally Posted by Prince Vegeta

1. Good point, which brings me to the fact that when Gohan was fighting Dabura and everything thereafter until Boo's hatching, Gohan's hairstyle was the SAME as his counterpart in movie 10. Furthermore we all know that that Gohan in the manga was not a SSJ2 and so we can conclude that the movie 10 one isn't either. Since obviously based off the manga the hair ALONE is NOT an indication.

2. Even IF its Piccolo post rosat he would still be quite weaker than the saiyans (especially Gohan) so that's irrelevent. The only wa y for them to be of equal footing is for the saiyans so all be normal SSJ's.

1. That's not entirely true. Gohan's SSj2 style hair [Buu Arc] has a much spikier back end than his SSj1 hairstyle, and I'm basing this of course off of his transformation in the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai and every SSj transformation afterwards. So, yes, the hair does give indication.

2. I'm saying they seemed to be more on an equal plain of power because of Broly's much greater power. They're dwarves in comparison to Broly, and so they seem on an identical level being around 3-4x weaker than Broly, even though they themselves may vary a bit in power, tops being x2.5, according to what LSSJ7 has posted.

[Prince Vegeta]

Originally Posted by Broly

1. That's not entirely true. Gohan's SSj2 style hair [Buu Arc] has a much spikier back end than his SSj1 hairstyle, and I'm basing this of course off of his transformation in the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai and every SSj transformation afterwards. So, yes, the hair does give indication.

2. I'm saying they seemed to be more on an equal plain of power because of Broly's much greater power. They're dwarves in comparison to Broly, and so they seem on an identical level being around 3-4x weaker than Broly, even though they themselves may vary a bit in power, tops being x2.5, according to what LSSJ7 has posted.

1. I went and checked both volumes 21 and 22 resectively to see if your claim is valid. It turned out that its not, Gohan's hairstyle is not at all different during his fight with Dabura (compared to the 25th tenkaichi budokai) I am not saying that hair isn;t generally and indication for SSJ2 but what I am saying is that for Teen Gohan it isn't because of how his hair is. The only counter argument you could have is that Gohan was a SSJ2 vs Dabura but if that is your argument than anticipate it be put to shame by my "counter" counter argument to that.

2. Well for one, Broly was defeated by the combined power of the fighters that were quite weakened. In fact in my opinion they were probably more that half as weak but judging by how badly Goku destroyed Broly after recieving their energy I think its fair to say that Broly was 2-2.5 folds stronger than Goku so its not nearly as much as you presume Broly's advantage to be. But also If MSSJ Gohan stands at 4,800,000,000
and Piccolo (post rosat) is around 1,700,000,000, then Gohan would have a 2.8 fold power advantage over Piccolo and well in no way is Broly's power advantage enough to make it seem as if Gohan and Piccolo were on the same plain field. Had Broly been 10 folds stronger than Gohan and Goku then I'd agree with your sentiment.

*Credit Devits for the power levels of Goku and Piccolo as it was the first reliable list I spotted.

[Ames]

Originally Posted by Broly

1. That's not entirely true. Gohan's SSj2 style hair [Buu Arc] has a much spikier back end than his SSj1 hairstyle, and I'm basing this of course off of his transformation in the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai and every SSj transformation afterwards. So, yes, the hair does give indication.

If Gohan's SSJ2 transformation in the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai is your basis for your argument, it is noticeably different than that of Gohan in Movie 10. Putting that much emphasis on his hair you should note the way his hair glistens on his focal tips and seems "fuller", when he accessed SSJ2 in the WT. His hair in movie ten seems more defined, giving a "thinner" look and there is obviously no sparks, along with no glistening. Although most biased opinions favor the "unnoticeable" view between these two comparisons, it clearly provides fact that there is a difference between the two.

[Broly]

Originally Posted by Prince Vegeta

1. I went and checked both volumes 21 and 22 resectively to see if your claim is valid. It turned out that its not, Gohan's hairstyle is not at all different during his fight with Dabura (compared to the 25th tenkaichi budokai) I am not saying that hair isn;t generally and indication for SSJ2 but what I am saying is that for Teen Gohan it isn't because of how his hair is. The only counter argument you could have is that Gohan was a SSJ2 vs Dabura but if that is your argument than anticipate it be put to shame by my "counter" counter argument to that.

2. Well for one, Broly was defeated by the combined power of the fighters that were quite weakened. In fact in my opinion they were probably more that half as weak but judging by how badly Goku destroyed Broly after recieving their energy I think its fair to say that Broly was 2-2.5 folds stronger than Goku so its not nearly as much as you presume Broly's advantage to be. But also If MSSJ Gohan stands at 4,800,000,000
and Piccolo (post rosat) is around 1,700,000,000, then Gohan would have a 2.8 fold power advantage over Piccolo and well in no way is Broly's power advantage enough to make it seem as if Gohan and Piccolo were on the same plain field. Had Broly been 10 folds stronger than Gohan and Goku then I'd agree with your sentiment.

*Credit Devits for the power levels of Goku and Piccolo as it was the first reliable list I spotted.

1. I guess that's just your view on it. The way I examined it, Gohan's lower-back hair section seemed to be much more refined as far as the distinction of the spike, and it was indeed emphasized when Gohan was transforming in the Budokai, Toriyama drew it with it's own panel. This can be taken as an indication since we can see it happened. And I rest my theory on this notion, and of course, since you have a different aspect altogether, MY aspect as well.

2. How can you even believe they could muster enough strength at that point in order to even hurt Broly? I think its obvious the Zet Senshi were actually giving their Super Saiyan powers. Because there's just no way they would be able to beat him any other way if they were just combining base powers. And so this is why I think he is at least 3 times stronger than MSSj Gohan. I also like to take the OVA into consideration on this one, since it was made by TOEI as well.

[Broly The LSSJ]

Originally Posted by Prince Vegeta

And Brolythelssj, you just added to my point.

Like I said, you fail. Don't cry

[Prince Vegeta]

Originally Posted by Broly

1. I guess that's just your view on it. The way I examined it, Gohan's lower-back hair section seemed to be much more refined as far as the distinction of the spike, and it was indeed emphasized when Gohan was transforming in the Budokai, Toriyama drew it with it's own panel. This can be taken as an indication since we can see it happened. And I rest my theory on this notion, and of course, since you have a different aspect altogether, MY aspect as well.

2. How can you even believe they could muster enough strength at that point in order to even hurt Broly? I think its obvious the Zet Senshi were actually giving their Super Saiyan powers. Because there's just no way they would be able to beat him any other way if they were just combining base powers. And so this is why I think he is at least 3 times stronger than MSSj Gohan. I also like to take the OVA into consideration on this one, since it was made by TOEI as well.

1. Sure I guess but you might also want to refer to "ames'" post.

2. I'm not understanding what you're trying to say. But from what I do get its quite simple, during the course of the fight, the fighters were not collectively attacking Broly in a way to directly add their powers and inflic damage on a secific point.

And BrolytheLSSJ, I cry at Broly's pathetic power so its okay dont worry about it.

[Kurushimi]

Originally Posted by USSJed

Brolly could kill any one Z Fighter with ease, anytime, anywhere

You crack me up, dude.

[Jay]

USSJed's opinion isn't valid as he believes in DBAF.

[Broly]

Originally Posted by Prince Vegeta

1. Sure I guess but you might also want to refer to "ames'" post.

2. I'm not understanding what you're trying to say. But from what I do get its quite simple, during the course of the fight, the fighters were not collectively attacking Broly in a way to directly add their powers and inflic damage on a secific point.

And BrolytheLSSJ, I cry at Broly's pathetic power so its okay dont worry about it.

1. I see no real need to fully elaborate. But I bend towards the opinion that since he had no electricity or sparks in Movie 10, Ames point is moot, besides being merely his opinion on the looks.

2. I'm talking about when the Zet Senshi gave their powers to Goku at the end to defeat Broly.

[Prince Vegeta]

Originally Posted by Broly

1. I see no real need to fully elaborate. But I bend towards the opinion that since he had no electricity or sparks in Movie 10, Ames point is moot, besides being merely his opinion on the looks.

2. I'm talking about when the Zet Senshi gave their powers to Goku at the end to defeat Broly.

2. Okay then I stand by what I said.

Originally Posted by USSJed

Brolly could kill any one Z Fighter with ease, anytime, anywhere

Right and well we all know that Broly could easily take out Mystic Gohan.

But you would have a case, had the series concluded prior to the Cell saga.

[SSJBulma]

I had the mythos of Broly in me before I ever actually saw him in the animes and well...
I was impressed but also disapointed. He didn't do anything that really made me go "wow they're allin deep fudge now".

Some scenes where he takes full on attacks in the face and laughs them off were cool, but they should of gone all out with the 'Legandary Super Saiyan'. It's only fair to the fans, espeially when some of us have this image of a mighty uber off the charts warrior.
I hate the look (not just the physically drawing) of Broly in his timid regular stage.

[Broly]

I'm sure if Toriyama were more free and willing to work with the character of Broly for an actual saga, then he would've probably put more effort or style into his character and appearance.

[Ames]

Originally Posted by Broly

1. I see no real need to fully elaborate. But I bend towards the opinion that since he had no electricity or sparks in Movie 10, Ames point is moot, besides being merely his opinion on the looks.

Opinion isn't regarded in this plausible discussion. The fact is, there is a notebale difference between 25th and Movie 10 Gohan's hair. If you took that much time discussing SSJ2 Gohan's hair with Prince Vegeta, you should notice the difference between SSJ2 25th Gohan and SSJ Movie 10 Gohan... I mean COME ON!!!

[Broly]

Well my friend I don't see a difference between the hair SSj2 Gohan has in Movie 10 and the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai. It seems to be the same in both occurences. If you're actually talking about the part where Gohan goes Super Saiyan out of anger after Videl got pounced on by Spopovich, then I'm afraid your mistaken. The lower-back hair Gohan has in those panels are not spiked like the Super Saiyan 2 transformation shows later on.