True GT - Page 2

Madness · 01-30-2008

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Originally Posted by JC#1

However I am still very satisfied with the current GT..

... what?

You don't think it's a pile of steaming dog turd then?

Ultimate_Gohan · 01-30-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

You don't think it's a pile of steaming dog turd then?

Hey!!

Thats what I think!!

JC#1 · 01-30-2008

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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gohan

Hey!!

Thats what I think!!

Destroy the non-believer!!!JK, no I already heard this stuff from totally reliable sorces.Wikipedia said that Dragon Ball was supposed to end at the Freeza saga, and I'm still trying to find the site where I heard about GT.

SaiyajinPerfection · 01-30-2008

Toriyama wanted nothing to do with Dragon Ball even after the Freeza arc. He wanted Goku to achieve the "Legendary Super Saiyan" and die, just like in the original legend.

You also notice that Toriyama tries numerous times to retire Goku from the series after the Freeza arc:

1) Making several characters ascend Goku (Vegeta, Trunks, and Piccolo for the first part of the Cell arc)
2) Making Goku train Gohan as a sucessor
3) Actually making Gohan transcend Goku by achieving a new form of Super Saiyan and defeating Cell.
4) Killing Goku, and making Goku not wanting to return to life.
5) Creating Goten, in hopes to replace the dead Goku with an identicle character for Goku-loving fans.
6) Making Goku's SSJ3 from his ultimate achievement, and thus making Goku achieve his physical limit.
7) Making Gotenks more able to handle the rigors of SSj3 then Goku was able to.
8) Making Gohan ascend Goku again!
9) Creating Uub, and blatantly have Goku say: "You will be my successor".

Since Toriyama was trying to retire the main character of the series for like....a third of the entire series, I think it's quite obvious that he didn't want the series to continue.

JC#1 · 01-31-2008

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Originally Posted by SaiyajinPerfection

Toriyama wanted nothing to do with Dragon Ball even after the Freeza arc. He wanted Goku to achieve the "Legendary Super Saiyan" and die, just like in the original legend.

You also notice that Toriyama tries numerous times to retire Goku from the series after the Freeza arc:

1) Making several characters ascend Goku (Vegeta, Trunks, and Piccolo for the first part of the Cell arc)
2) Making Goku train Gohan as a sucessor
3) Actually making Gohan transcend Goku by achieving a new form of Super Saiyan and defeating Cell.
4) Killing Goku, and making Goku not wanting to return to life.
5) Creating Goten, in hopes to replace the dead Goku with an identicle character for Goku-loving fans.
6) Making Goku's SSJ3 from his ultimate achievement, and thus making Goku achieve his physical limit.
7) Making Gotenks more able to handle the rigors of SSj3 then Goku was able to.
8) Making Gohan ascend Goku again!
9) Creating Uub, and blatantly have Goku say: "You will be my successor".

Since Toriyama was trying to retire the main character of the series for like....a third of the entire series, I think it's quite obvious that he didn't want the series to continue.

It's possible he came up with the original GT well before he wanted to retire, and wanted another good writer to stick to his generall GT outline...He got half his wish>_>

Super Cool · 01-31-2008

I heard that he AT was willing to help with GT but he demanded more money and toei didn't want to pay. Vegito should've been the one that kills buu and Vegito should've been permanent.

fktizle · 01-31-2008

I don't hate GT. I think the series just didn't have a good writer. I like Goku as a hero more than anyone else. But in terms of him making a new one, and having Gohan the strongest in the Universe, Gohan was the strongest character by the end of Z. I really think that Z should of just finished the Dragonball Story, and that GT could be a side story such as the movies.

Madness · 01-31-2008

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Originally Posted by fktizle

I don't hate GT. I think the series just didn't have a good writer. I like Goku as a hero more than anyone else. But in terms of him making a new one, and having Gohan the strongest in the Universe, Gohan was the strongest character by the end of Z. I really think that Z should of just finished the Dragonball Story, and that GT could be a side story such as the movies.

Well to be honest, I'd like GT to be just left as it is.

Not because I like it, but because it could very easily have been made worse. They didn't do a good job - and ruined the DB series for a lot of fans. But it could have been worse.

Just try to forget it ever happened.

JC#1 · 01-31-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

Well to be honest, I'd like GT to be just left as it is.

Not because I like it, but because it could very easily have been made worse. They didn't do a good job - and ruined the DB series for a lot of fans. But it could have been worse.

Just try to forget it ever happened.

Wy does everyone keep saying that?GT RULZ!

Darkprince410 · 01-31-2008

GT was single handedly the worst thing that happened to the Dragonball Universe since movie 11, and it was critically panned in the U.S. and Japan as being the weakest entry in the franchise.

As for Toriyama-sensei's involvement in planning GT, he didn't. He wrote DB and DBZ as he was going (he'd never write beyond the current story arc he was on), and he tried stopping Z at the end of the Furiiza Saga as well as at the end of the Seru Saga, and finally managed to stop it at the end of the Buu Saga, afterwords saying he wouldn't write more Dragonball.

**LegendarySSJ7** · 01-31-2008

"True" GT? More like "mortifying, complete failure" GT. Toriyama-sensei had scant interest in continuing Dragonball past the Cell Saga arc to begin with, what with making the valid attempt at ending it way back when at the Freeza Saga Arc. But in the Boo Saga, with fusion, the "'Boo eat you now, 'kay" rendition of a villain, Gotenks screaming "the new Vegeta", and kids being pounded by magic monsters, it was a tad hard to take it in earnest, so it's easy to see why he ended it where he did, and why GT turned into the exorbitant trainwreck that it did. It had capacity and potential, but just that - things it did not live up to on any front. TOEI was mainly responsible for GT, not Toriyama-sensei.

JC#1 · 01-31-2008

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

GT was single handedly the worst thing that happened to the Dragonball Universe since movie 11, and it was critically panned in the U.S. and Japan as being the weakest entry in the franchise.

As for Toriyama-sensei's involvement in planning GT, he didn't. He wrote DB and DBZ as he was going (he'd never write beyond the current story arc he was on), and he tried stopping Z at the end of the Furiiza Saga as well as at the end of the Seru Saga, and finally managed to stop it at the end of the Buu Saga, afterwords saying he wouldn't write more Dragonball.

Your not listening well.I think he was tired but the pay was to good to quit, so he wrote more(GT), but eventually he kinda said "Screw this" and let Toei create GT.GT is easily the worst DB entry, but that's just DB!There are tons of worse things non-DB related.GT was great, just not too great compared to DB-Z.

Darkprince410 · 01-31-2008

No, I am listening, but I am telling you that what you're saying is incorrect. He openly stated in many interviews that once Z was finished, that was going to be it for him. He hadn't written anything storyline wise for any possible sequel to Z, and he was not going to even if Toei were to come to him to try and make a sequel.

JC#1 · 01-31-2008

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

No, I am listening, but I am telling you that what you're saying is incorrect. He openly stated in many interviews that once Z was finished, that was going to be it for him. He hadn't written anything storyline wise for any possible sequel to Z, and he was not going to even if Toei were to come to him to try and make a sequel.

What I meant is maybe he planned it before the interview and threw out the idea when he got tired of dragon ball?Idunno I just heard a rumor and want to know what your thoughts are on Akira and GT.Like what do you think the series would be like?Would it be as crappy as the GT we know today?That kinda' stuff.

Darkprince410 · 01-31-2008

No, as I said earlier, Toriyama-sensei didn't plan beyond the story arc he was working on, so if he actually did have any intention of making a sequel to Z, he wouldn't have thought about it, let alone start writing it, till after he had finished Z. However, he was approached towards the end of Z and asked if he had intentions of continuing, in which he replied that he had tried a few times in the past to end Z, but that this time would be it and he wasn't going to make any sequels.

So I can honestly say that the rumor you heard has no basis in fact.

If Toriyama-sensei were to have made a sequel to Z, there's no doubt in my mind that it'd be better than Toei's, as he would have stuck with the facts that he had concocted for Z, instead of contradicting stated fact time and again.

01-30-2008	#19 (permalink)
SaiyajinPerfection (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Not where you are Posts: 1,448 Blog Entries: 10 Rep Power: 20	Re: True GT Toriyama wanted nothing to do with Dragon Ball even after the Freeza arc. He wanted Goku to achieve the "Legendary Super Saiyan" and die, just like in the original legend. You also notice that Toriyama tries numerous times to retire Goku from the series after the Freeza arc: 1) Making several characters ascend Goku (Vegeta, Trunks, and Piccolo for the first part of the Cell arc) 2) Making Goku train Gohan as a sucessor 3) Actually making Gohan transcend Goku by achieving a new form of Super Saiyan and defeating Cell. 4) Killing Goku, and making Goku not wanting to return to life. 5) Creating Goten, in hopes to replace the dead Goku with an identicle character for Goku-loving fans. 6) Making Goku's SSJ3 from his ultimate achievement, and thus making Goku achieve his physical limit. 7) Making Gotenks more able to handle the rigors of SSj3 then Goku was able to. 8) Making Gohan ascend Goku again! 9) Creating Uub, and blatantly have Goku say: "You will be my successor". Since Toriyama was trying to retire the main character of the series for like....a third of the entire series, I think it's quite obvious that he didn't want the series to continue. __________________ Formerly the member demonkingpiccolo "Let's put a SMILE on that face!" REP OWED: Madness, Madness, Madness, Madness, Frieza the Tyrant, Madness, Madness, SSJBulma, Madness, Madness, Madness, The Green Dragon, Madness....and...oh wait, did I mention Madness?

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Super Cool Naruto Ranked (26) Shichibi Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SuperCoolsville Posts: 4,470 Rep Power: 19	Re: True GT I heard that he AT was willing to help with GT but he demanded more money and toei didn't want to pay. Vegito should've been the one that kills buu and Vegito should've been permanent. __________________

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fktizle (8) Saiyan Warrior Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 94 Rep Power: 2	Re: True GT I don't hate GT. I think the series just didn't have a good writer. I like Goku as a hero more than anyone else. But in terms of him making a new one, and having Gohan the strongest in the Universe, Gohan was the strongest character by the end of Z. I really think that Z should of just finished the Dragonball Story, and that GT could be a side story such as the movies.

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Darkprince410 (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ohio, United States Posts: 2,578 Rep Power: 21	Re: True GT GT was single handedly the worst thing that happened to the Dragonball Universe since movie 11, and it was critically panned in the U.S. and Japan as being the weakest entry in the franchise. As for Toriyama-sensei's involvement in planning GT, he didn't. He wrote DB and DBZ as he was going (he'd never write beyond the current story arc he was on), and he tried stopping Z at the end of the Furiiza Saga as well as at the end of the Seru Saga, and finally managed to stop it at the end of the Buu Saga, afterwords saying he wouldn't write more Dragonball. __________________

01-31-2008	#26 (permalink)
LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,429 Rep Power: 11	Re: True GT "True" GT? More like "mortifying, complete failure" GT. Toriyama-sensei had scant interest in continuing Dragonball past the Cell Saga arc to begin with, what with making the valid attempt at ending it way back when at the Freeza Saga Arc. But in the Boo Saga, with fusion, the "'Boo eat you now, 'kay" rendition of a villain, Gotenks screaming "the new Vegeta", and kids being pounded by magic monsters, it was a tad hard to take it in earnest, so it's easy to see why he ended it where he did, and why GT turned into the exorbitant trainwreck that it did. It had capacity and potential, but just that - things it did not live up to on any front. TOEI was mainly responsible for GT, not Toriyama-sensei. __________________

01-31-2008	#28 (permalink)
Darkprince410 (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ohio, United States Posts: 2,578 Rep Power: 21	Re: True GT No, I am listening, but I am telling you that what you're saying is incorrect. He openly stated in many interviews that once Z was finished, that was going to be it for him. He hadn't written anything storyline wise for any possible sequel to Z, and he was not going to even if Toei were to come to him to try and make a sequel. __________________

01-31-2008	#30 (permalink)
Darkprince410 (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ohio, United States Posts: 2,578 Rep Power: 21	Re: True GT No, as I said earlier, Toriyama-sensei didn't plan beyond the story arc he was working on, so if he actually did have any intention of making a sequel to Z, he wouldn't have thought about it, let alone start writing it, till after he had finished Z. However, he was approached towards the end of Z and asked if he had intentions of continuing, in which he replied that he had tried a few times in the past to end Z, but that this time would be it and he wasn't going to make any sequels. So I can honestly say that the rumor you heard has no basis in fact. If Toriyama-sensei were to have made a sequel to Z, there's no doubt in my mind that it'd be better than Toei's, as he would have stuck with the facts that he had concocted for Z, instead of contradicting stated fact time and again. __________________