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Old 01-20-2008   #106 (permalink)
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Your diagram used to illustrate your point is sort of confusing. To be fair, Majin Buu with Super Saiyan 3 Goku absorbed would be more powerful than Super Buu as well. So that diagram doesn't explain much.

Your diagram suggests that Ssj3 Goku is just stronger than Kid Buu who is on par with Majin Buu w/Gohan, so Ssj3 Goku would be stronger than Majin Buu w/Gohan (therefore much stronger than Ultimate Gohan alone).

Vegeto is said to be around that of Ssj3 Goku, and he took care of Majin Buu w/Gohan far too easily.

If Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Ssj3 Goku then the diagram should go more like

Majin Buu w/Gohan >>> Ultimate Gohan >>> Super Buu = Ssj3 Goku >/= Kid Buu

Yours went like this

Ssj3 Goku >/= Kid Buu >/= Majin Buu w/Gohan >>> Ultimate Gohan

It should really go more like this

Super Vegeto > Vegeto
Vegeto = Ssj3 Goku
Vegeto > Majin Buu w/Gohan
Majin Buu w/Gohan > Super Buu
Majin Buu w/Gotenks > Ultimate Gohan

Vegeto = Ssj3 Goku > Majin Buu w/Gohan > Ultimate Gohan

IMO

Plus the fact that Goku is older and more stronger than Gohan, and a pure blooded Saiyan which means more suited to combat and whos power level rises more quickly. The only reason Goku held back in the Cell Games was to give Gohan a chance to ascend.
Oh, hell no! Vegeto would mop the floor with Goku, Chibi Buu is weaker than Shin Buu(The tall Buu who appears the most. Wow, you should get your facts right. I'll explain later.

When Goku was facing Fat Buu, he told him someone stronger than himself would come to defeat Fat Buu, he was talking about Gotenks. Note, he wasn't talking about SSJ3 Gotenks, just SSJ Gotenks since he didn't know Gotenks had the power to go SSJ3. After his training in the ROSAT, Gotenks achieved a new level of power who was impressive, he displayed his power as SSJ and Piccolo was impressed meaning he had really improved. That proves: SSJ3 Gotenks>>>>>>>SSJ Gotenks(Post ROSAT)>SSJ3 Goku

SSJ3 Gotenks was dead even with Shin Buu but he still managed to gain the upper hand with great effort. That proves: SSJ3 Gotenjs>/=Shin Buu>>>>>SSJ Gotenks(Post ROSAT)>SSJ3 Goku

Before unlocking Gohan's potential, the old Kai states in front of Goku that he'll make Gohan the most powerful fighter in the universe, and Goku doesn't contradict. That proves: Chou Gohan(Ultimate, Mystic or whatever)>SSJ3 Goku

Chou Gohan was thrashing Shin Buu with great ease it wasn't even funny, Shin Buu was deseperate and he couldn't do nothing: Chou Gohan>>SSJ3 Gotenks>/=Shin Buu>>>>SSJ Gotenks(Post ROSAT)>SSJ3 Goku

When they were in Buu's head, Goku said that if they were to get out and face Shin Buu they would get killed if they weren't fused. Shin Buu came in his own body and talked to them, Goku said they would have to kill him in order to get out, Shin Buu replied they couldn't kill him and they will be the one who will get killed. Goku was panicking at the mere thought of fighting Shin Buu, he suggested fusion twice because he knew they couldn't win. It proves: Shin Buu>>>SSJ3 Goku

When Vegeta ripped Mr Buu off of Shin Buu, Shin Buu started to revert into Chibi Buu, they said his Ki was getting bigger and they were scared, after the process was completed, Vegeta laughed and said he was now smaller and Goku replied: What a chance, we might beat him after all. They were scared to face Shin Buu but Goku is confident he can beat Chibi Buu individually. When Goku was battling Chibi Buu, Vegeta said a full power SSJ3 Goku would be able to obliterate Chibi Buu. It proves:

SSJ Vegeto>>>>Shin Buu(Chou Gohan absorbed)>>Shin Buu(Gotenks absorbed)>>>Chou Gohan>>Buff Buu>(The enormous Buu we briefly saw between Shin Buu and Chibi BuuSSJ3 Gotenks>/=Shin Buu>>>>>SSJ Gotenks(Post ROSAT)>Full power SSJ3 Goku>Chibi Buu
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ya you messed up their is no way Vegeto is equal to SSJ3 Goku.
Otherwise SSJ3Goku would of mopped the floor with everyone he fought like ever.
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Alright... so Ssj3 Goku is Goku's ABSOLUTE power limit and is still a pile of shit in the grand scheme of things.
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^Yes, In the end of Z, SS3 is Goku's absolute power. He may get stronger but no one knows if he would reach Ultimate Gohan's power.
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Well he did in GT, he became a SS4! that is greater than ultimate gohan~
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GT is not considered canon. Since you're new please read this: http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/anime-manga/dragonball-z/65441-unwritten-rule-written-must-read-new-members.html
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GT is not considered canon. Since you're new please read this: The "Unwritten Rule" Written. (Must-Read for New Members!)
Lol the irony of the unwritten rules being written down! lol
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I believe it's called irony.

As for the power issue, Goku was pretty weak in comparison by the end of Z. But he was the second most powerful unfused character, so he isn't that weak.
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Now Vegeta, he was pretty much a piece of crap in the grand scheme, but he was the first person to really take a crack at Boo, and he went down like such a badass that it was worth it.
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Alright... so Ssj3 Goku is Goku's ABSOLUTE power limit and is still a pile of shit in the grand scheme of things.
He is the 4th strongest fight in Z, behind SSJ Vegeto, Ultimate Gohan, and SSJ3 Gotenks, and is stronger the Fat Buu, but lost because he's well Majin Buu lol.
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He is the 4th strongest fight in Z, behind SSJ Vegeto, Ultimate Gohan, and SSJ3 Gotenks, and is stronger the Fat Buu, but lost because he's well Majin Buu lol.
In fact, he's weaker than Shin Buu also.

Vegeto>Shin Buu(Highest form)>Gohan>Gotenks>Goku

He never lost against Fat Buu =/
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In fact, he's weaker than Shin Buu also.

Vegeto>Shin Buu(Highest form)>Gohan>Gotenks>Goku

He never lost against Fat Buu =/
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Vegito > Super buu(gohan) > Super buu(Gotenks) > Ultimate Gohan > Superbuu(piccolo) > SS3 Gotenks > Super Buu > SS Gotenks >/= Kid buu >/= Evil buu >/= SS3 Goku > Majin buu > SS2 vegeta.

Vegeta is really down at the bottom.
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Ya, the only people Vegeta was stronger then in the buu saga, are Goten, Trunks, Gohan, the humans, and Babidi's fighters.
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He's also stronger than Piccolo.
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