SSGokuTim

I've been thinking about this for a while. In the Funimation Broly trailer, it was mentioned that the first Super Saiyans were destroyed by their own power, and they were wuite clearly shown to be in golden oozaru form. However, these Saiyans, as mentioned, destroyed themselves and the galaxies they inhabited. I think SSJ4 is the "true" Super Saiyan, because it was the state that a saiyan achieved after mastering the golden oozaru transformation. So, I think Super Saiyan 4 is the real legendary super saiyan from the legends, and the SSJ1, 2, 3, etc are just incomplete forms of it. Because if you think about it, the only thing keeping Goku from becoming golden oozaru on namek was his lack of a tail. I think if he had a tail at the time, he would have become SSJ Oozaru and the universe would have been destroyed. Any thoughts?

king omega

First of all Akira nothing to do with anything in GT there for nothing in there could be the true SSJ form.

There really is no true SSJ form, since all of the canon sayians (That fought Goku and friends, or are Goku and friends) except for 2 (Nappa+Radditz) are Super Sayians at one point, or another.

Plus since Akira wanted Z to end after Freeza, Goku would have been and is supposed to be the legendary SSJ not Brolly.

The Golden Oozaru form shown before GT is just a sayian, who as an Oozaru is strong enough to be a SSJ.

Goku can not control his Oozaru form so if anyone would of been a SSJ on namek as an Oozaru it would of been Vegeta.

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SSK31

Plus since Akira wanted Z to end after Freeza, Goku would have been and is supposed to be the legendary SSJ not Brollythat is such bullshit, and has got to be the biggest rumor ever. Prove to me in an interview, comment from a reliable source, whatever that he said that. Really, link me up.

Face it, he never said that, and he never planned on ending it.

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SRP76

Another problem is that it is never said exactly when Broly actually transformed into a Super Saiyan.

He is clearly "incredibly strong" since birth, but strength doesn't make a Super Saiyan; the actual transformation does.

At the time of the movie, Goku has been a Super Saiyan for about 4 years.

If Broly only transformed, say, 3 years ago, then he has no claim; Goku did it first.

Super_17

well yeah it is tough to say but they did mention broly was born with a power of 10,000 and for his own father to get a mind control device to try to control that power it seemed that broli's own power was multiplying over the years up to the fight with Goku in movie 8.

But if goku had turned Super Saiyan before broli's actual transformation and probably did, he would be credited as the legendary Super Saiyan.

However there lies the problem first vegeta stated that power triggers the transformation but then theres the statement "pure of heart" and "anger" come into play since vegeta went Super Saiyan himself after the frieza saga and at the time vegeta just wanted to be the top dog.

But for the sake of arguement lets say goku is the legendary Super Saiyan.

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fktizle

" Once every million years" means alot of things to me. I have never realized this, but if the translation is correct, that would mean the transformation occurs once every millennial, never saids that it will happen to only just one person. It saids it will happen once every million, not it will happen to only one very million. Vegeta also stated that there were the super saiyans, not just one. I personally think that any saiyan around the time of Goku that reached the level he did could transform into a SSJ. I personally believe that if Nappa and Raditz wouldn't of been killed they would've ascended. This is my take on things.

Now Golden Ooazaru is completely different. They basically combine their two natural saiyan strengths to become the ultimate fighter. All SSJ4 is, is a controlled state of this form.

LegendarySSJ7

(Volume 24 / 8, page 52) Vegeta: "They say a Super Saiyan appears only once in a thousand years... I've always said it was just a myth... and if I was sure that even if it were possible........ the only warrior who could possibly become one... was me!" Only once in a thousand years, not once every million years. Whether it was one or multiple Super Saiyans coming out of the legendary fold every millennium is never stated, with only vague, aloof words. This is never contested - the whole reason why Vegeta even sees past the state; this is the notion of surpassing it, as pronounced after #18 defeated him - nothing jars with the notion of the status being Legendary. Notice how I say surpass and not master as no one was out to master it yet (until Goku sagaciously peered into said option).

To add gravity to that statement, each new form is achieved as a response to any new threat - hidden, metaphorical, or blatant. It's SS Goku in the Freeza Saga Arc, it's SS2 Gohan in the Cell Saga Arc, and SS Vegetto in the Boo Saga Arc (all of them coming out on top as the strongest). As for Nappa and Raditz, not to chide, but they weren't anyplace close to ascending the state. Not even Vegeta in the Freeza Saga Arc could do it - he had to break the 3,000,000 barrier and find the right motivation (as well as a pure heart, evil or good). Aside from that, canonically, Goku is the Legendary Super Saiyan, and nothing jives with the statement.

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fktizle

Im sorry. Point taken. But the point was that there could be more than one super saiyan from legends.

SSK31

It's jut that though, a legend. I believe, like another poster in this thread, that if Nappa and Radditz had survived they too would of achieved SSJ. I believe the Saiyans were evolving at a tremendous rate, and that's quite obvious. I believe the first SSJ was a Gold Ozaru who went mad with power, and of course as every hears; blew himself and the planet he was on up in smoke.

The legend is just that, who knows, maybe there was never a ancient Super Saiyan, maybe no saiyan had ever achieved half the power Goku had by his fight with Freeza before turning into a SSJ. We just really don't know, and will never know.

Also, about Broly being the legendary super saiyan, he is in the movies, that's for sure. In one of Paragus's flashbacks, you can clearly see Broly as a kid, but also as a SSJ blowing up a city. This is where Paragus loses his eye at.

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Ultimate_Gohan

While you got a point there I think that the SSJ we all know is the ones in Z. Because 1.The Broly movie is not canon
2.GT is not canon (Akira didn't produce it)

I think EVERY saiyan can become SSJ if he has enough anger. Look at it this way: Goku became SSJ because he was extremely angry at frieza. Vegeta became SSJ because of anger, jealousy and tough training. Trunks became SSJ by Gohan's death. Future Gohan became SSJ because of his fathers death. So to become a SSJ you just need much anger, so every saiyan can be a SSj

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burningvegeta

Erm sorry

Son Goten, and Marai Trunks

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Ultimate_Gohan

Goten and Kid Trunks probably had inherited SSJ cells in their bodies. That's why they became so easy SSJ.

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SSGokuTim

I disagree. Nappa was losing control of the battle with Goku and went berserk. He didn't transform. Bardock was angry when his crew was eliminated. Even though it's not completely canon, he still didn't transform. There are more requirements than just pure anger. Vegeta didn't transform in the Frieza arc when he was angry because he couldn't contend with Frieza. It's speculated that Vegeta's power after healing was about 2,500,000. This is speculation, but if you look at the facts it makes sense. Goku was at 3,000,000. So the requirements can't be just anger. These are th requirements popularly explained.

1.) A pure heart (Good or Evil)
2.) Extreme anger, sadness, or fear
3.) A power level greater than 2.5 million

So not every Saiyan could be a Super Saiyan.