BurningVegeta

In that case Brolly isn't pure evil, as he was being controlled. There was nothing evil about Vegeta's transformation, he says he let go as he cared for nothing, complete opposite to Goku's transformtion; where he felt he had to protect, and destory evil.

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Broly

Krillen found he was wrong in thinking that you could only have a pure heart of goodness in order to achieve Super Saiyan, that's why he said, "I thought". He now knows differently.

@Burningvegeta - Vegeta was pure evil at the time of his ascension. The only thing he lacked was finding the right rage within himself to let it out. It wasn't the fact that he didn't care for anything anymore so much, but the fact that he became angry at himself because of his own limits.

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Jay

Trunks is in no way pure seeing as though he lives in a dark future.

My theory is that the 'Legendary' Super Saiyans are the ones that need a pure heart, and through this will rise in power faster than any other Super Saiyans.

Goku for example had a heart of pure good, and ascended when his best friend (Krillin) was killed.

Broli had a heart of pure evil, and ascended very early on in his childhood to a False Super Saiyan due to having the power and the heart to do so.

Thus, Goku and Broli needed a pure heart to transform what with both being born on the same day and both sharing the Legendary Super Saiyan title.

Other Super Saiyans didn't need a pure heart.


Vegeta, was dillusional, his ego led him to believe a lot of things. Vegeta thought he was a Super Saiyan on Namek (which he wasn't) because he WANTED to be, he has always been jealous of Goku and wanted everything he had... such as his Super Saiyan transformation.

This is why Vegeta thought he transformed because of a pure heart, because he wanted to ascend past Goku on the same scale and be Goku's match. Vegeta didn't need a pure heart, he only needed the power and emotion, seeing as he is a high class Saiyan prince and seeing as though he is NOT a legendary super saiyan.

Vegeta wasn't pure evil during the Android saga, that is plain bullshit coming out of the Saiyan Prince's mouth. He was an anti-hero, if he was evil he would have gone after the Z fighters himself and laid his energy on attacking the whole Earth, he wouldn't have developed a relationship with Bulma etc. Vegeta may have been reluctant and avoidant, even a loner at some parts, but was not pure evil. He willed himself to think he needed to be because he was so desperate to transform.

Chibi Trunks and Goten ascended because they were born already capable of Super Saiyan transformations due to their father's genetics after they had accessed Ssj.

Gohan and Mirai Trunks had to train and reach it on their own through extreme emotion and training, but they did not need a pure heart, granted Gohan had... but it would be next to impossible for Trunks to remain pure hearted seeing as though most of his family and friends were dead and the Earth was under constant turmoil from #17 and #18.

You can clearly see Mirai Trunk's depressed and serious nature throughout.

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LegendaryBroli

Broli wasn't evil per sey; I more of put Broli as insane than evil. Seeing how being born right next to goku who cried constantly drove him to cries of tears himself. That put a true scar in his heart and soul. So it was out his pure insanity and his desire to have renge on Goku was what drove Broli to become Super Saiyan. Also theres the factor Broli's own father tried controlling his behavior also drove his ascension. So I believe his ascension was to be free of his father's control and his desire to defeat Goku.

And to say Goku's ascension was barely on pure of heart has come credit but there is the fact he wanted revenge for Krillin's and Piccolo's death. So you can't tell me his hatred and want for revenge didn't push Goku to that peak of power to become Super Saiyan.

Gohan's rise to Super Saiyan power came from hours of training and mental inquish. He was push to his limits and past them becoming a Super Saiyan.

Mirai trunks' ascension also came out of anger himself. Seeing the dead body of Mirai Gohan; his mentor drove him to go Super Saiyan. We can say Mirai Gohan's transformation came from years of training.

Chibi Goten and Trunks became Super Saiyan as Green Dragon from genetics of their fathers.

@ Broly Vegeta wasn't evil per sey, I mean he did push gohan out of the way of a death beam that came from Frieza. Vegeta's ascension or what took him to the level of Super Saiyan was his desires to be the strongest in the universe and his own will to defeat Goku.

that's my thoughts.

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SSK31

The only reason the first Super Saiyans were in Ozzaru is because they still had their tails intacted, if they had their tails de-attaached they would be the same transformation we saw in the anime

And yes, I believe any Saiyan that trained enough, got angry / emotional enough could transform into a SSJ. Just back then it was VERY hard because Saiyans didnt get a chance to train that much, being ruled by Freeza and all , all they did was conquer beings weaker than themselves, which is why their power levels didnt grow all that much

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Dark Skywalker

that is a possability

SSK31

I just hate the whole pure heart bullshit, honestly. It's just a really stupid, stupid requirement for the transformation(Which, isn't even a requiment after the Freeza saga)

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Dark Skywalker

do you dissagree with everything or something man

king omega

True, Vegeta kinda messed that one up, his heart was pure evil wtf. if it was he woulf of killed everyone when they were wished back on Earth(or atleast try to)

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Jay

Thats it, Vegeta being pure [evil] hearted is all a big lie.

Vegeta was dillusional because he was so desperate to match Goku.

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Vizard

Vegeta wasn't near to pure evil in android saga. He would be like 80% evil but never PURE evil. That would make him more evil than Cell and the androids. That was just something said by Vegeta to make him look evil.

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