The true Super Saiyan - Page 2

**Vizard** · 01-01-2008

I agree with 2 and a bit with 3 but I doesn't matter what heart you have. Nappa never had the level of anger Goku had against Frieza. He was angry because he was losing but he wasn't nearly as angry as Goku against Frieza. Though, I kinda agree with your third point that you should have a high power level. I gotta dissagree with the first point. Trunks was son of Vegeta and Bulma, both not pure good persons so there's no way he could be 100% pure good. Gohan, Goten, Goku, chichi were all 100% pure good (could stay on nimbus cloud) so your 1st point doesn't make sense.

SSGokuTim · 01-01-2008

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I agree with 2 and a bit with 3 but I doesn't matter what heart you have. Nappa never had the level of anger Goku had against Frieza. He was angry because he was losing but he wasn't nearly as angry as Goku against Frieza. Though, I kinda agree with your third point that you should have a high power level. I gotta dissagree with the first point. Trunks was son of Vegeta and Bulma, both not pure good persons so there's no way he could be 100% pure good. Gohan, Goten, Goku, chichi were all 100% pure good (could stay on nimbus cloud) so your 1st point doesn't make sense.

Sorry about that, I meant for pure-blooded Saiyans, the heart must be pure. It's not the same for Goten and Trunks because even though Goten was pure, Goku was already a Super Saiyan at the time of conception. It's the same with Vegeta. It's speculated that Goten and Trunks had the transformation passed down to them through genes, and that's why they were able to transform so easily, without anger or pure hearts. Goten is pure, but it had nothing to do with his transformation.

BurningVegeta · 01-01-2008

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Originally Posted by SSGokuTim

I disagree. Nappa was losing control of the battle with Goku and went berserk. He didn't transform. Bardock was angry when his crew was eliminated. Even though it's not completely canon, he still didn't transform. There are more requirements than just pure anger. Vegeta didn't transform in the Frieza arc when he was angry because he couldn't contend with Frieza. It's speculated that Vegeta's power after healing was about 2,500,000. This is speculation, but if you look at the facts it makes sense. Goku was at 3,000,000. So the requirements can't be just anger. These are th requirements popularly explained.

1.) A pure heart (Good or Evil)
2.) Extreme anger, sadness, or fear
3.) A power level greater than 2.5 million

So not every Saiyan could be a Super Saiyan.

I had to scroll up to check this was the DBGT section so this would be valid: When Brolly first turn ssj his power level was no where near 2.5 million. There was nothing pure about Brolly's transformation.

Broly · 01-01-2008

It was never shown when Broly achieved the state of Super Saiyan and it was never shown what PL he had when he finally did transform to SSj for the first time.

SSK31 · 01-06-2008

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Originally Posted by SSGokuTim

I disagree. Nappa was losing control of the battle with Goku and went berserk. He didn't transform. Bardock was angry when his crew was eliminated. Even though it's not completely canon, he still didn't transform. There are more requirements than just pure anger. Vegeta didn't transform in the Frieza arc when he was angry because he couldn't contend with Frieza. It's speculated that Vegeta's power after healing was about 2,500,000. This is speculation, but if you look at the facts it makes sense. Goku was at 3,000,000. So the requirements can't be just anger. These are th requirements popularly explained.

1.) A pure heart (Good or Evil)
2.) Extreme anger, sadness, or fear
3.) A power level greater than 2.5 million

So not every Saiyan could be a Super Saiyan.

The power level is just fan speculation. BUT, I do agree with you, a Saiyan needs a certain base power level before his body can handle the transformation. BUT, I don't think it's that high, I mean 2.5 million? I would say 1 mil max.

gogitass4 · 01-06-2008

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Originally Posted by burningvegeta

I had to scroll up to check this was the DBGT section so this would be valid: When Brolly first turn ssj his power level was no where near 2.5 million. There was nothing pure about Brolly's transformation.

that's incorret
they had to have a powerlevel over 100,000
must be either pure good or pure evil
must be very mad

**Vizard** · 01-06-2008

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Originally Posted by gogitass4

that's incorret
they had to have a powerlevel over 100,000
must be either pure good or pure evil
must be very mad

Then explain this:

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Trunks was son of Vegeta and Bulma, both not pure good persons so there's no way he could be 100% pure good. Gohan, Goten, Goku, chichi were all 100% pure good (could stay on nimbus cloud)

Broly · 01-06-2008

Just because Bulma wasn't 100% pure doesn't mean Trtunks will turn out like that too.

SSK31 · 01-06-2008

Who's to say Bulma wasn't 100% pure? And Future Trunks was certainly 100% pure, no doubt about it. I would guess that Chibi Trunks would also be pure.

**Vizard** · 01-06-2008

No, Future Trunks wasn't 100% pure. Vegeta is mostly evil. Bulma couldn't get on the Nimbus so she isn't 100% pure either. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Trunks is evil but hes around 95%-99% pure.

TheultimateGohan14 · 01-06-2008

The Oozaru was not showned as a golden form

Broly · 01-07-2008

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No, Future Trunks wasn't 100% pure.

Then how did he achieve Super Saiyan???

**Vizard** · 01-07-2008

Where was it stated that you should have a 100% pure good or 100% pure bad heart to achieve Super Saiyan???

Broly · 01-07-2008

DBZ Vol. 13 - Pg 89 = *Just after Vegeta transforms into a Super Saiyan* Krillen: "N-no way...!! Why is he a Super Saiyan...?! I thought you had to have a pure heart...!?
Vegeta: "My heart is pure...pure evil!"

**Vizard** · 01-07-2008

lol I know that but first of all Krillin thought you had to have a pure heart. Also Vegeta answered in a way like... I don't know how to explain. He wasn't really meaning what he was saying. He just said that to show how evil he was.

01-01-2008	#16 (permalink)
Vizard /gc/ addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,210 Blog Entries: 6 Rep Power: 223	Re: The true Super Saiyan I agree with 2 and a bit with 3 but I doesn't matter what heart you have. Nappa never had the level of anger Goku had against Frieza. He was angry because he was losing but he wasn't nearly as angry as Goku against Frieza. Though, I kinda agree with your third point that you should have a high power level. I gotta dissagree with the first point. Trunks was son of Vegeta and Bulma, both not pure good persons so there's no way he could be 100% pure good. Gohan, Goten, Goku, chichi were all 100% pure good (could stay on nimbus cloud) so your 1st point doesn't make sense. __________________

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Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: The true Super Saiyan It was never shown when Broly achieved the state of Super Saiyan and it was never shown what PL he had when he finally did transform to SSj for the first time. __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

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Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: The true Super Saiyan Just because Bulma wasn't 100% pure doesn't mean Trtunks will turn out like that too. __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

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SSK31 (4) Turtle School Disciple Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 31 Rep Power: 0	Re: The true Super Saiyan Who's to say Bulma wasn't 100% pure? And Future Trunks was certainly 100% pure, no doubt about it. I would guess that Chibi Trunks would also be pure. __________________

01-06-2008	#25 (permalink)
Vizard /gc/ addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,210 Blog Entries: 6 Rep Power: 223	Re: The true Super Saiyan No, Future Trunks wasn't 100% pure. Vegeta is mostly evil. Bulma couldn't get on the Nimbus so she isn't 100% pure either. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Trunks is evil but hes around 95%-99% pure. __________________

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TheultimateGohan14 (1) Earthling Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Re: The true Super Saiyan The Oozaru was not showned as a golden form

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Vizard /gc/ addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,210 Blog Entries: 6 Rep Power: 223	Re: The true Super Saiyan Where was it stated that you should have a 100% pure good or 100% pure bad heart to achieve Super Saiyan??? __________________

01-07-2008	#29 (permalink)
Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: The true Super Saiyan DBZ Vol. 13 - Pg 89 = Just after Vegeta transforms into a Super Saiyan Krillen: "N-no way...!! Why is he a Super Saiyan...?! I thought you had to have a pure heart...!? Vegeta: "My heart is pure...pure evil!" __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

01-07-2008	#30 (permalink)
Vizard /gc/ addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,210 Blog Entries: 6 Rep Power: 223	Re: The true Super Saiyan lol I know that but first of all Krillin thought you had to have a pure heart. Also Vegeta answered in a way like... I don't know how to explain. He wasn't really meaning what he was saying. He just said that to show how evil he was. __________________