DK64_MASTER

He didn't go all the way because of the kids. That is true. But he also didn't go all the way because Buu was too strong. He just weighs the condition of the Kids fighting over the fact that he doesn't have enough power.

Goku can't beat him AND (I REPEAT AND) he doesn't have enough power.

Replace "NO" with "it's not that, I just"

The main reason he backed out was not because he didn't have enough power (which is true), but because he wanted kids to fight. An additional reason of why he didn't want to fight was the fact that he didn't have enough power.


In Mathematics, it's called the necessary vs. sufficent clause.

It was necessary for goku to let the boys fight, but a sufficient reason was because he didn't have enough power.

You'll understand if you ever take a course in discrete math in college.

DK64_MASTER

Sorry for the triple post, but I feel this also deserves its on response.

Piccolo is basically asking Goku, why didn't you try? Was is because your time will run out? Goku answers NO to that question. He doesn't have the power (as stated by Goku himself) but Piccolo thinks he should have at least tried.

He want's to teach the kids fusion, and so he powered down, so he could start teaching the kids it. He thinks its a risk, but he knows that the fusion will be more powerful than him, so its a calculated risk. He didn't go full out because he needs the time to teach the kids fusion, and not run the risk of killing his own time.

Nova Shenron

First of all applying mathematics to a cartoon is not only stupid but its retarded. I highly doubt AT or any of the creators of the Anime were experts in Mathematics so don't try to assert ur misguided intellect because its not impressing anyone. Secondly why don't people get that this is the ANIME section so put ur useless Manga scans in the rubbish because in the ANIME Goku implied quite clearly that he could've beaten Buu but he wanted the others to do it because he was dead and he didn't feel right about it. Also Buu was not at all too strong Goku held back because he knew he was draining his time on earth and needed to teach the boys the fusion dance, it was after all simply a stall tactic while Trunks got the dragon raider.

DK64_MASTER

QUOTE(Nova Shenron @ Sep 12 2005, 11:53 PM)
First of all applying mathematics to a cartoon is not only stupid but its retarded. I highly doubt AT or any of the creators of the Anime were experts in Mathematics so don't try to assert ur misguided intellect because its not impressing anyone. Secondly why don't people get that this is the ANIME section so put ur useless Manga scans in the rubbish because in the ANIME Goku implied quite clearly that he could've beaten Buu but he wanted the others to do it because he was dead and he didn't feel right about it. Also Buu was not at all too strong Goku held back because he knew he was draining his time on earth and needed to teach the boys the fusion dance, it was after all simply a stall tactic while Trunks got the dragon raider.




First of all, it's logic, a branch of mathematics we all commonly use to solve problems. Toriyama would have been well versed in logic. Most writers are, to avoid plotholes. Obviousy TOEI wasn't with their crazy GT (but that's beside the point). This logic is often implemented in analytical essays to pevent fallacies and contradictions. It essentially describes the way the world work, dude.

Second of all, when were manga scans not allowed in the anime section?
Isn't the Anime based off the manga? I see you not posting any proof? The least you could do is quote something from an episode, and I'll check it with my copy, or someone else will. At least I give proof, and not demand it.

Third of all, why do you resort to flaming me with "misguided intellect" just because your don't agree with something I said?

Finally, your Trunks comment does make sense, and is something I forgot to consider. So you may actually have a point here. But you could have posted that fact only, and your post would have seemed a lot friendlier, and coherent. I'm not trying to make enemies. I don't know if you are.

OK, let me ask you this: If this was the Manga or GD section, would you take my post with more credibility?

.Magamafaller

FPSSJ3 is made up by fans because theirs no power difference between FPSSJ3 and SSJ3.(This the ANIME Board Manga is not valid.)I say your post has creditbility already.(If their is power difference between FPSSJ3 and SSJ3 tell me.)

DK64_MASTER

Manga scans forbidden in the Anime section? How come it isn't written in the rules?

FPSSJ does exist (Gohan/Goku were in that form when they fought Cell).

But I can see why FPSSJ3 doesn't exist. Although Goku does mention powering up to FULL power in the ANIME when he's trying to kill Kid Buu.

.Magamafaller

Yeah thats what I kinda meant. (Their not forribined but iam going by the Anime and some are some other peeps.)Also the Manga is always against the Anime no one wins out of it.

Nova Shenron

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First of all, it's logic, a branch of mathematics we all commonly use to solve problems. Toriyama would have been well versed in logic. Most writers are, to avoid plotholes. Obviousy TOEI wasn't with their crazy GT (but that's beside the point). This logic is often implemented in analytical essays to pevent fallacies and contradictions. It essentially describes the way the world work, dude.

Second of all, when were manga scans not allowed in the anime section?
Isn't the Anime based off the manga? I see you not posting any proof? The least you could do is quote something from an episode, and I'll check it with my copy, or someone else will. At least I give proof, and not demand it.

Third of all, why do you resort to flaming me with "misguided intellect" just because your don't agree with something I said?

Finally, your Trunks comment does make sense, and is something I forgot to consider. So you may actually have a point here. But you could have posted that fact only, and your post would have seemed a lot friendlier, and coherent. I'm not trying to make enemies. I don't know if you are.

OK, let me ask you this: If this was the Manga or GD section, would you take my post with more credibility?



First of all if this was the Manga section we wouldnt be having this discussion becos its moronic to argue with ocular proof.

LOL secondly not once did i flame u. A Flame is an insult and all i sed was that ur intellectual ideas hold very little relevance in this argument.

I Also see that despite this once again you've tried to resolve this with a rather foolish attempt at worldy understanding with what appears to be a feint intellect. (anyone can read a dictionary Duke)

Last but not least im also not here to make enemies but guess what i'm not here to make friends either and i have no intentions of holding my tongue in order to reframe from hurting ur feelings. My last post wasn't the slightest unfriendly i was simply telling it like it is and if you actually took it heart then i have but two more words for you.. Harden Up.



EDIT : Megaman or Magamafro or w/e ya name is... in the Anime Section the Anime = the LAW. Every other section is overruled by Manga

.Magamafaller

Yeah I know that thats what I said.

GikuHonishimo

FPSSJ3 does it exist, it basically means Full Power Super Saiya-jin 3, otherwise a Super-Saiya-jin 3 at full power. Confusing stuff, huh? Anyways, Goku later on states that he could've defeated Fat Buu during his fight with Kid Buu, but wanted the kids to do it, so it's unknown whether he could or not, but at his maximum power, he probably could've, though we never got to see Fat Buu's maximum power, for all we know it could've been close to Majuub's power in DBGT or something like that, but I highly doubt this is possible. Thus Goku is probably capable of defeating Fat Buu.

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QUOTE(GikuHonishimo @ Sep 13 2005, 06:20 AM)
FPSSJ3 does it exist, it basically means Full Power Super Saiya-jin 3, otherwise a Super-Saiya-jin 3 at full power. Confusing stuff, huh? Anyways, Goku later on states that he* could've defeated Fat Buu during his fight with Kid Buu, but wanted the kids to do it, so it's unknown whether he could or not, but at his maximum power, he probably could've, though we never got to see Fat Buu's maximum power, for all we know it could've been close to Majuub's power in DBGT or something like that, but I highly doubt this is possible. Thus Goku is probably capable of defeating Fat Buu.



You just said manga scans are valid anywhere, right? So in this case the manga refutes the anime (look at my manga scans on page 1). This is the anime section, so in this case you are saying the anime prevails? Make up your mind please.


In the Manga, Goku explicitly says No to the fact that he doesn't think he can beat Majin Buu.

When Piccolo asks him, why he didn't go all out, Goku says he would rather train the kids than waste time. The teaching the kids statement was refering about the fact that he need more time, not that he was more powerful than Buu.

Piccolo saying "all out" meaning Goku's max, refering to why didn't Goku at least try.

The anime might be different. I don't have the vidz with me now, so I can't check.

.gogeta the super fusion

SS3 Goku could beat Fat Buu.

GikuHonishimo

QUOTE(DK64_MASTER @ Sep 13 2005, 09:13 AM)
QUOTE(GikuHonishimo @ Sep 13 2005, 06:20 AM)
FPSSJ3 does it exist, it basically means Full Power Super Saiya-jin 3, otherwise a Super-Saiya-jin 3 at full power. Confusing stuff, huh? Anyways, Goku later on states that he could've defeated Fat Buu during his fight with Kid Buu, but wanted the kids to do it, so it's unknown whether he could or not, but at his maximum power, he probably could've, though we never got to see Fat Buu's maximum power, for all we know it could've been close to Majuub's power in DBGT or something like that, but I highly doubt this is possible. Thus Goku is probably capable of defeating Fat Buu.



You just said manga scans are valid anywhere, right? So in this case the manga refutes the anime (look at my manga scans on page 1). This is the anime section, so in this case you are saying the anime prevails? Make up your mind please.


In the Manga, Goku explicitly says No to the fact that he doesn't think he can beat Majin Buu.

When Piccolo asks him, why he didn't go all out, Goku says he would rather train the kids than waste time. The teaching the kids statement was refering about the fact that he need more time, not that he was more powerful than Buu.

Piccolo saying "all out" meaning Goku's max, refering to why didn't Goku at least try.

The anime might be different. I don't have the vidz with me now, so I can't check.



The manga prevails, not the anime. And if you read the part with Kid Buu Goku will distinctively say "I probably could've beaten Fat Buu as a Super Saiya-jin 3, but I wanted to let the kids have a chance" or something to that extent, I'd have to go read it to get the exact line.

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QUOTE(GikuHonishimo @ Sep 13 2005, 08:32 AM)
QUOTE(DK64_MASTER @ Sep 13 2005, 09:13 AM)
QUOTE(GikuHonishimo @ Sep 13 2005, 06:20 AM)
FPSSJ3 does it exist, it basically means Full Power Super Saiya-jin 3, otherwise a Super-Saiya-jin 3 at full power. Confusing stuff, huh? Anyways, Goku later on states that he* could've defeated Fat Buu during his fight with Kid Buu, but wanted the kids to do it, so it's unknown whether he could or not, but at his maximum power, he probably could've, though we never got to see Fat Buu's maximum power, for all we know it could've been close to Majuub's power in DBGT or something like that, but I highly doubt this is possible. Thus Goku is probably capable of defeating Fat Buu.



You just said manga scans are valid anywhere, right? So in this case the manga refutes the anime (look at my manga scans on page 1). This is the anime section, so in this case you are saying the anime prevails? Make up your mind please.


In the Manga, Goku explicitly says No to the fact that he doesn't think he can beat Majin Buu.

When Piccolo asks him, why he didn't go all out, Goku says he would rather train the kids than waste time. The teaching the kids statement was refering about the fact that he need more time, not that he was more powerful than Buu.

Piccolo saying "all out" meaning Goku's max, refering to why didn't Goku at least try.

The anime might be different. I don't have the vidz with me now, so I can't check.



The manga prevails, not the anime. And if you read the part with Kid Buu Goku will distinctively say "I probably could've beaten Fat Buu as a Super Saiya-jin 3, but I wanted to let the kids have a chance" or something to that extent, I'd have to go read it to get the exact line.




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.Evil Vegeta

I do agree that the manga is better then the Anime! But I have those cool Japanese ones that actually have accurate subtitles, and Goku did say to Vegeta he could've beat Buu if he went all out just like the manga said. Also when I hear FP that agitates me! When he is SSJ x3 he is at full power, because it takes alot of damn Ki to transform anyway.

I still think it would have been rather tough to do that though! Goku would have to probably do a Ultimate Super Kame-Hame-Ha or something like that, because the samething that kept happening to Gotenks would happen to Goku. Buu would keep forming, and they would keep losing Ki energy.