Since the presence Trunks in GT is now born...

.DannyPhantomfan · 06-23-2005

Does that mean Future Trunks no longer exists because GT Trunks future is going to be written. Any thoughts on this?

.Son Gohan · 06-23-2005

Mirai Trunks's Timeline and Chibi Trunks's Timeline are two different ones now. Think more of different dimensions. Something that happens in one timeline will not affect the other.

.Dragonball_Legacy · 06-23-2005

Alternate Timelines are impossible. They are not even remotely possible.

You can create an alternate universe, but you can't travel back.

Future Trunks still exists, he is just at the time where he would have disappeared at to go back in time to save Goku.

So yes they "AT" removed Future Trunks from the universe.

Time travel has a two way fuction, you go into the future or go into the past.

Going into the future with a time machine permits you to go into the future from the point of time you are at right before going into the future. It's the future from that point of time.

Which means that in GT, Cell should come back, everyone is still gonna die, and 18 is evil again and is destroying humans along with 17.

So either Trunks went into an alternate universe that would have been divergent from his own even without his interference.

It is like this, if Trunks went back in time in the same manner he went into the future then he would have gone to where things were on resolved from something.

Do you get it yet, Trunks didn't went back to his own timeline, because in order to go into another timeline he would need to know how to travel through dimensions to reach back to his own destination. Which is impossible out of time machine.

He can change the future, but he can't return without causing the same disturbance. I bet this was AT's original idea, unless he happens to be an idiot.

.Son Gohan · 06-23-2005

QUOTE(Dragonball_Legacy @ Jun 22 2005, 09:52 PM)
Alternate Timelines are impossible. They are not even remotely possible.

You can create an alternate universe, but you can't travel back.

Future Trunks still exists, he is just at the time where he would have disappeared at to go back in time to save Goku.

So yes they "AT" removed Future Trunks from the universe.

Time travel has a two way fuction, you go into the future or go into the past.

Going into the future with a time machine permits you to go into the future from the point of time you are at right before going into the future. It's the future from that point of time.

Which means that in GT, Cell should come back, everyone is still gonna die, and 18 is evil again and is destroying humans along with 17.

So either Trunks went into an alternate universe that would have been divergent from his own even without his interference.

It is like this, if Trunks went back in time in the same manner he went into the future then he would have gone to where things were on resolved from something.

Do you get it yet, Trunks didn't went back to his own timeline, because in order to go into another timeline he would need to know how to travel through dimensions to reach back to his own destination. Which is impossible out of time machine.

He can change the future, but he can't return without causing the same disturbance. I bet this was AT's original idea, unless he happens to be an idiot.

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Wrong.

Study your ideas a bit furthur, it's called a Slipstream. Something that lets you travel into the past, but also at a specific destination, even if it's in a different dimension. According to scientists, there are an uncountable amount of dimensions, for every choice that one being makes.

.Dragonball_Legacy · 06-23-2005

No it is like with Gohan being the original main character of DBZ, Future Trunks was going to be added into the Buu Saga, but Akira Toriyama decided not to because of Goku Fan boys that fear that having Future Trunks in the Buu Saga would have caused there to be a disturbance in the power Goku has over the series. And the "Fan Boys" wouldn't want that to happen.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 06-23-2005

Toriyama makes his own time travel rules. You don't.

Crispy Bacon · 06-23-2005

QUOTE(Dragonball_Legacy @ Jun 22 2005, 10:58 PM)
No it is like with Gohan being the original main character of DBZ, Future Trunks was going to be added into the Buu Saga, but Akira Toriyama decided not to because of Goku Fan boys that fear that having Future Trunks in the Buu Saga would have caused there to be a disturbance in the power Goku has over the series. And the "Fan Boys" wouldn't want that to happen.

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But their are alternate realities and different dimensions, that has been theorized.

.Dragonball_Legacy · 06-23-2005

QUOTE(Bacon @ Jun 23 2005, 04:14 AM)
QUOTE(Dragonball_Legacy @ Jun 22 2005, 10:58 PM)
No it is like with Gohan being the original main character of DBZ, Future Trunks was going to be added into the Buu Saga, but Akira Toriyama decided not to because of Goku Fan boys that fear that having Future Trunks in the Buu Saga would have caused there to be a disturbance in the power Goku has over the series. And the "Fan Boys" wouldn't want that to happen.

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But their are alternate realities and different dimensions, that has been theorized.

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Yes but time can only go two ways.

And a time machine can go forward but from where you start that movement from time from.

Remember "Back From the Future", (I think that should explain it to you).

If you cause a disturbance in the past it would cause the present world you come from to be completely different.

Everyone should already be aware of this and know this. Because time travels from past to future.

Crispy Bacon · 06-23-2005

I don't know the split time line theory but Back to the Future is a fictional story and is not fact when there is more than theory on time travel.

.Dragonball_Legacy · 06-23-2005

Remember that Trunks went 3 years in the future from when he killed Frieza and how different it was from what had happened in his own timeline because of the desturbance Trunks had made in the past.

Would the same result occur if Trunks went futher into the future, to let's say when he had arrived to his own timeline or should I say his own present time.

.Jellyhop · 06-23-2005

QUOTE(Dragonball_Legacy @ Jun 22 2005, 08:58 PM)
No it is like with Gohan being the original main character of DBZ, Future Trunks was going to be added into the Buu Saga, but Akira Toriyama decided not to because of Goku Fan boys that fear that having Future Trunks in the Buu Saga would have caused there to be a disturbance in the power Goku has over the series. And the "Fan Boys" wouldn't want that to happen.

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really, Future Trunks, was original in buu saga, damn goku fan boys. Oh well, I think if he was in it, it would make much of a difference, in fact I it would make the story worst, with confusion of 2 trunks. And that he was not in GT and that a good thing, imagine how TOEI would have messes up future trunks like they did to Chibi trunks.

Future trunks still exists in his timeline, when ever he went back in time, he created another timeline. I don't think he could change the past on his timeline.

.Gyarikku · 06-25-2005

QUOTE(Chibi Mystic Gohan @ Jun 22 2005, 10:04 PM)
Toriyama makes his own time travel rules. You don't.

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That pretty much sums it up...each time travel movie/show has different rules. I think in DBZ we pretty much have to accept that when Trunks came 20 years into the past he broke something in the space/time continuim and created an alternate universe. That's why when he gave Goku his heart medicine and they killed the androids, when he traveled back to his own time the androids were still there and everybody was still dead.

**SS2 Vegeto** · 06-26-2005

Technically GT Trunks is the one who doesn't exist because none of the events in GT ever took place because it was filler.

Gangsta SabZ · 06-27-2005

When Trunks grows up in GT Future Trunks, in his time, is probably a couple of years younger than Goku in GT (which is quite old). Trunks, the GT one, is about 19-26 years old so F Trunks still exists.

.Son Gohan · 06-27-2005

QUOTE(Dragonball_Legacy @ Jun 26 2005, 12:27 PM)
QUOTE(Dragonball_Legacy @ Jun 23 2005, 04:46 AM)
Remember that Trunks went 3 years in the future from when he killed Frieza and how different it was from what had happened in his own timeline because of the desturbance Trunks had made in the past.

Would the same result occur if Trunks went futher into the future, to let's say when he had arrived to his own timeline or should I say his own present time.

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I think you all didn't catch the fact that when Trunks went to stop Frieza and King Kold, nothing had changed. And when he went three years in the future to meet everyone at the exact time and place of the androids' arrival that things were much different from the way they were. This proves that Akira Toriyama was following the "ideal" complex that if you go back in time an step on a bug that it will have dire consequences on the future.

Toriyama changes his story based on the Goku Fan Boys and other people harrassing him. But this is very common for an artist to be harrassed by his peers.

And having Future Trunks in the Buu Saga, would have had made the story better, you wanker/Douchebag. You would have more fighting, better fighting, and better conflicts arrising than just between Goku and Vegeta.

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Um, yes he did. He changed the timeline merely by being there and created a whole other timeline. The timeline we know, where Trunks defeats Frieza, King Cold, and even speaks to Son Goku. He goes back into an alternate future I believe which is his natural timeline. So whenever he goes into the past again three years later, he's going into an alternate past.

I would believe if he had gone into his natural past, everyone would be much weaker having no reason to train for three years without his warning. Akira Toriyama-sensei changed his stories because of his fans, true. But I would make the same choice, I wouldn't want to lose my readers. Having Mirai Trunks and Chibi Trunks is in the same saga would suck. I like the way he focuses on Chibi Trunks and Goten.

Although still, it would be interesting having Mirai Trunks in the Buu Saga.

06-23-2005	#1 (permalink)
.DannyPhantomfan (1) Earthling Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Since the presence Trunks in GT is now born... Does that mean Future Trunks no longer exists because GT Trunks future is going to be written. Any thoughts on this?

06-23-2005	#2 (permalink)
.Son Gohan (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,123 Rep Power: 7	Since the presence Trunks in GT is now born... Mirai Trunks's Timeline and Chibi Trunks's Timeline are two different ones now. Think more of different dimensions. Something that happens in one timeline will not affect the other.

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.Dragonball_Legacy (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,135 Rep Power: 0	Since the presence Trunks in GT is now born... Alternate Timelines are impossible. They are not even remotely possible. You can create an alternate universe, but you can't travel back. Future Trunks still exists, he is just at the time where he would have disappeared at to go back in time to save Goku. So yes they "AT" removed Future Trunks from the universe. Time travel has a two way fuction, you go into the future or go into the past. Going into the future with a time machine permits you to go into the future from the point of time you are at right before going into the future. It's the future from that point of time. Which means that in GT, Cell should come back, everyone is still gonna die, and 18 is evil again and is destroying humans along with 17. So either Trunks went into an alternate universe that would have been divergent from his own even without his interference. It is like this, if Trunks went back in time in the same manner he went into the future then he would have gone to where things were on resolved from something. Do you get it yet, Trunks didn't went back to his own timeline, because in order to go into another timeline he would need to know how to travel through dimensions to reach back to his own destination. Which is impossible out of time machine. He can change the future, but he can't return without causing the same disturbance. I bet this was AT's original idea, unless he happens to be an idiot.

06-23-2005	#4 (permalink)
.Son Gohan (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,123 Rep Power: 7	Since the presence Trunks in GT is now born... QUOTE(Dragonball_Legacy @ Jun 22 2005, 09:52 PM) Alternate Timelines are impossible. They are not even remotely possible. You can create an alternate universe, but you can't travel back. Future Trunks still exists, he is just at the time where he would have disappeared at to go back in time to save Goku. So yes they "AT" removed Future Trunks from the universe. Time travel has a two way fuction, you go into the future or go into the past. Going into the future with a time machine permits you to go into the future from the point of time you are at right before going into the future. It's the future from that point of time. Which means that in GT, Cell should come back, everyone is still gonna die, and 18 is evil again and is destroying humans along with 17. So either Trunks went into an alternate universe that would have been divergent from his own even without his interference. It is like this, if Trunks went back in time in the same manner he went into the future then he would have gone to where things were on resolved from something. Do you get it yet, Trunks didn't went back to his own timeline, because in order to go into another timeline he would need to know how to travel through dimensions to reach back to his own destination. Which is impossible out of time machine. He can change the future, but he can't return without causing the same disturbance. I bet this was AT's original idea, unless he happens to be an idiot. [snapback]382142[/snapback] Wrong. Study your ideas a bit furthur, it's called a Slipstream. Something that lets you travel into the past, but also at a specific destination, even if it's in a different dimension. According to scientists, there are an uncountable amount of dimensions, for every choice that one being makes.

06-23-2005	#5 (permalink)
.Dragonball_Legacy (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,135 Rep Power: 0	Since the presence Trunks in GT is now born... No it is like with Gohan being the original main character of DBZ, Future Trunks was going to be added into the Buu Saga, but Akira Toriyama decided not to because of Goku Fan boys that fear that having Future Trunks in the Buu Saga would have caused there to be a disturbance in the power Goku has over the series. And the "Fan Boys" wouldn't want that to happen.

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Chibi Mystic Gohan (26) Great Elder of Namek Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Surrounded by dickgirls Posts: 5,448 Rep Power: 145	Since the presence Trunks in GT is now born... Toriyama makes his own time travel rules. You don't. __________________ "Words don't exist so that we can tell the truth; they exist so that we can conceal the truth" - ZOMBIEPOWDER.* Volume 02*

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Crispy Bacon (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,204 Rep Power: 8	Since the presence Trunks in GT is now born... QUOTE(Dragonball_Legacy @ Jun 22 2005, 10:58 PM) No it is like with Gohan being the original main character of DBZ, Future Trunks was going to be added into the Buu Saga, but Akira Toriyama decided not to because of Goku Fan boys that fear that having Future Trunks in the Buu Saga would have caused there to be a disturbance in the power Goku has over the series. And the "Fan Boys" wouldn't want that to happen. [snapback]382184[/snapback] But their are alternate realities and different dimensions, that has been theorized. __________________

06-23-2005	#8 (permalink)
.Dragonball_Legacy (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,135 Rep Power: 0	Since the presence Trunks in GT is now born... QUOTE(Bacon @ Jun 23 2005, 04:14 AM) QUOTE(Dragonball_Legacy @ Jun 22 2005, 10:58 PM) No it is like with Gohan being the original main character of DBZ, Future Trunks was going to be added into the Buu Saga, but Akira Toriyama decided not to because of Goku Fan boys that fear that having Future Trunks in the Buu Saga would have caused there to be a disturbance in the power Goku has over the series. And the "Fan Boys" wouldn't want that to happen. [snapback]382184[/snapback] But their are alternate realities and different dimensions, that has been theorized. [snapback]382193[/snapback] Yes but time can only go two ways. And a time machine can go forward but from where you start that movement from time from. Remember "Back From the Future", (I think that should explain it to you). If you cause a disturbance in the past it would cause the present world you come from to be completely different. Everyone should already be aware of this and know this. Because time travels from past to future.

06-23-2005	#9 (permalink)
Crispy Bacon (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,204 Rep Power: 8	Since the presence Trunks in GT is now born... I don't know the split time line theory but Back to the Future is a fictional story and is not fact when there is more than theory on time travel. __________________

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.Dragonball_Legacy (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,135 Rep Power: 0	Since the presence Trunks in GT is now born... Remember that Trunks went 3 years in the future from when he killed Frieza and how different it was from what had happened in his own timeline because of the desturbance Trunks had made in the past. Would the same result occur if Trunks went futher into the future, to let's say when he had arrived to his own timeline or should I say his own present time.

06-23-2005	#11 (permalink)
.Jellyhop (4) Turtle School Disciple Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 26 Rep Power: 0	Since the presence Trunks in GT is now born... QUOTE(Dragonball_Legacy @ Jun 22 2005, 08:58 PM) No it is like with Gohan being the original main character of DBZ, Future Trunks was going to be added into the Buu Saga, but Akira Toriyama decided not to because of Goku Fan boys that fear that having Future Trunks in the Buu Saga would have caused there to be a disturbance in the power Goku has over the series. And the "Fan Boys" wouldn't want that to happen. [snapback]382184[/snapback] really, Future Trunks, was original in buu saga, damn goku fan boys. Oh well, I think if he was in it, it would make much of a difference, in fact I it would make the story worst, with confusion of 2 trunks. And that he was not in GT and that a good thing, imagine how TOEI would have messes up future trunks like they did to Chibi trunks. Future trunks still exists in his timeline, when ever he went back in time, he created another timeline. I don't think he could change the past on his timeline.

06-25-2005	#12 (permalink)
.Gyarikku (10) Saiyan Elite Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 152 Rep Power: 4	Since the presence Trunks in GT is now born... QUOTE(Chibi Mystic Gohan @ Jun 22 2005, 10:04 PM) Toriyama makes his own time travel rules. You don't. [snapback]382188[/snapback] That pretty much sums it up...each time travel movie/show has different rules. I think in DBZ we pretty much have to accept that when Trunks came 20 years into the past he broke something in the space/time continuim and created an alternate universe. That's why when he gave Goku his heart medicine and they killed the androids, when he traveled back to his own time the androids were still there and everybody was still dead.

06-26-2005	#13 (permalink)
SS2 Vegeto Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In God's Hands Posts: 9,396 Rep Power: 37	Since the presence Trunks in GT is now born... Technically GT Trunks is the one who doesn't exist because none of the events in GT ever took place because it was filler. __________________

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Gangsta SabZ (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 2,613 Rep Power: 8	Since the presence Trunks in GT is now born... When Trunks grows up in GT Future Trunks, in his time, is probably a couple of years younger than Goku in GT (which is quite old). Trunks, the GT one, is about 19-26 years old so F Trunks still exists.

06-27-2005	#15 (permalink)
.Son Gohan (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,123 Rep Power: 7	Since the presence Trunks in GT is now born... QUOTE(Dragonball_Legacy @ Jun 26 2005, 12:27 PM) QUOTE(Dragonball_Legacy @ Jun 23 2005, 04:46 AM) Remember that Trunks went 3 years in the future from when he killed Frieza and how different it was from what had happened in his own timeline because of the desturbance Trunks had made in the past. Would the same result occur if Trunks went futher into the future, to let's say when he had arrived to his own timeline or should I say his own present time. [snapback]382205[/snapback] I think you all didn't catch the fact that when Trunks went to stop Frieza and King Kold, nothing had changed. And when he went three years in the future to meet everyone at the exact time and place of the androids' arrival that things were much different from the way they were. This proves that Akira Toriyama was following the "ideal" complex that if you go back in time an step on a bug that it will have dire consequences on the future. Toriyama changes his story based on the Goku Fan Boys and other people harrassing him. But this is very common for an artist to be harrassed by his peers. And having Future Trunks in the Buu Saga, would have had made the story better, you wanker/Douchebag. You would have more fighting, better fighting, and better conflicts arrising than just between Goku and Vegeta. [snapback]384126[/snapback] Um, yes he did. He changed the timeline merely by being there and created a whole other timeline. The timeline we know, where Trunks defeats Frieza, King Cold, and even speaks to Son Goku. He goes back into an alternate future I believe which is his natural timeline. So whenever he goes into the past again three years later, he's going into an alternate past. I would believe if he had gone into his natural past, everyone would be much weaker having no reason to train for three years without his warning. Akira Toriyama-sensei changed his stories because of his fans, true. But I would make the same choice, I wouldn't want to lose my readers. Having Mirai Trunks and Chibi Trunks is in the same saga would suck. I like the way he focuses on Chibi Trunks and Goten. Although still, it would be interesting having Mirai Trunks in the Buu Saga.