.jiggyfly

if you notice, in the anime goku cant fight for him self. i mean in the fight with radits he had to have piccolo help him. then they went gangsta and had goku hold raddits si piccolo could kill him. against vegeta goku had to have gohan and i think krillin fight for him after vegeta beat the hell out of him. same with friza piccolo had to help. against cell gohan had to kill him. against buu first he had gotenks fight him, then gohan, then he had to fuze with vegeta. then him and vegeta had to fight kid buu...then fat buu had to fight him. so i say goku is a bad fighter. the only way he can win is to either power up, like with vegeta, he had to do kioken, while vegeta was fighting normal.

Maverick

Definitly not the worst fighter in anime for sure. I see all your points, but the aftermath of them too. The Raditz fight, Goku held Raditz so Piccolo could kill him. Goku then fought with Vegeta, and yes Gohan and Krillin helped a little too, but if Goku wasn't there.....see my point. Same thing with Freiza, Goku finsihed him off with the Spirit Bomb, even though he had help, but maybe that might of been the only move that could of finished Freiza. Goku helped fight off Freiza for awhile and weaken him, but he wanted Gohan to kill him, so you can count this one, and you can't. Same thing, he wanted Gotenks to kill Buu, then Gohan to kill Buu, and if Goku wasn't there to fuse with Vegeta...now you see my point. Goku isn't the strongest fighter in DBZ. Each Z-Warrior hels put with the fight. Now usually Goku does the most. And if he has to power-up or whatever, Goku and comapny usually gets the job done. And I beleive Vegeta had to go Oozaru too afterwards. So each fighter, even Goku puts in their effort into defeating a villain. And he reached Super Saiyan 3 also, so yeah I think he's strong. lol.

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Anonymous

He isn't the worst fighter, he is one of the most intelligent

USSj Goku

You totally forgot about Dragonball. Goku beat a ton of enemie's alone in Dragonball.

Goku is easily the best fighter and he's one of the strongest.

QUOTE(jiggyfly @ Jun 8 2005, 10:50 PM)
same with friza piccolo had to help.


Goku was the one that did the most against Frieza, Piccolo helped because Goku needed the time to gather energy for his Spirit Bomb, the rest after that Goku was on his own, he went SSJ and then beat the crap out of Frieza.


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against buu first he had gotenks fight him, then gohan, then he had to fuze with vegeta.


Goku could of defeated Fat Buu if he wanted to, but he chose not too because he wanted Trunks and Goten to do it with the fusion technique.

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so i say goku is a bad fighter. the only way he can win is to either power up, like with vegeta, he had to do kioken, while vegeta was fighting normal.



Vegeta also had to transform into a Oozaru in order to defeat Goku. Are you trying to say that Goku isn't allowed to use his own techniques in a fight like his kaioken attack? that makes absolutely no sense at all, that's like saying Goku isn't allowed to use his SSJ forms when he is in a fight and he isn't allowed using his Spirit Bomb which is his own technique.

.Future_Trunks

hmm..for someone who enjoys fighting and wants to test his limitess..

then i am guessing he is strong

.jiggyfly

[quote=USSj Goku,Jun 8 2005, 08:00 PM]
You totally forgot about Dragonball. Goku beat a ton of enemie's alone in Dragonball.

yeah i guess i did. goku was a bad ass fighter in db thats why i like it more. in dbz its more about ki and stuff. in db it was about beating the hell out of the other fighter

Beautiful Illusion

Hmmm...being a good fighter isn't just a question of power. To be a true hero, you must fight for what you believe in and use your emotions to your advantage. And, anyways, as long as somebody beats the s**t out of the bad guy, who cares who beat them?

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SweetVidel

i would say that in DBZ goku isn't the stongest after gohan got help from elder kai to go chau gohan. but still to be a strong fighter doesn't mean that you all so much more powerful than other, goku fight much with his brain also, hes a smart and powerful fighter.

and for goku getting help in all hes fights.
Against Vegeta, he use kaioken which is his own technique and yes he got help from Gohan, Kuririn and even Yajirobe. Even vegeta got "help" from Oozaru.

Against Cell he did alot of damage to cell but yeah, it wasen't enough to bet him, he also knew that Gohan had become more powerful than him self.

in the buu saga he could kill Fat buu if i wanted but he wanted to make Goten and Trunks look like the heros for ones. And when Super Buu appeard i think Gotenks was weaker and then he wanted Gohan to be the hero but Super buu did absorb Gohan and the only option was fusion.
When he got SSJ2 Vegetto he knew that he could defeat buuhan but he wanted to get the others out before he defeated him.
And when Vegeta and Goku fighted Kid buu they both knew after awile that a super spirit bomb was the only think that could completly defeat him.
Fat Buu and Vegeta did only detain buu from goku.

Anonymous

Gotenks is stronger than Goku and Super Buu

SweetVidel

i did actully checked that out. yes gotenks wa stronger then super buu. Super buu did just tricked them to fuse again to absorb Gotenks.
My bad sorry

.majin-warrior

Oh please...
Goku isn't the strongest guy of all (Gohan is it=P) but the worst? He is one of the most strongers one and, especially, one of the most intelligents ones!

.jiggyfly

i know. thats why i dont realy like dbz. he has to use power ups and ki and stuff. db was better! it was just martial arts. no ss or nothing. and yes chou gohan is the strongest.

.gogeta the super fusion

Goku can fight for himself. Except when he's out of power another warrior have to take over for him or give him more power.

In Gt Goku was an ss4 but he had to absorb the Half saiyans power.

Iversonite

Goku is definetly a great fighter. You can't doubt that. The one person who might be a getter fighter is Piccolo.

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.gogeta the super fusion

Piccolo is a batter fighter cause he sacrificed his power to save the Earth and we never see him on Earth again!!! If piccolo was a Saiyan he would be the better fighter than Vegeta.