Stroger atk - Page 3

05-14-2005

QUOTE(gogeta the super fusion @ May 12 2005, 07:08 PM)
Freezer can kill Vegeto by using the death Ball on the core of the planet.

Speicail beam cannon pierces the opponent's heart.

In Budokai, the Tri beam is a death-move, but the special beam cannon is an ultimate. Ultimate>>>>death move

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Vegito could kill Freeza before he even think of forming it

Kikoho evaporates the person.........

Budokai? INSTANT PHAIL

GikuHonishimo · 05-14-2005

Budokai instant phails at everything, it's a game and you can't judge an attacks power on the game. In the Jap Anime version the Shin-Ki-Ko-Hou (Tri-beam) is definately one of the strongest beams because it = Held off semi-perfect cell, and probably could've easily destroyed Imperfect Cell or 100% Frieza without much difficulty, and there's no way a super saiyan could beat that kind of power.

Sub Zero · 05-15-2005

I know but i mean ppl sayin' Spirit bomb

GikuHonishimo · 05-15-2005

QUOTE(nyqua @ May 15 2005, 08:26 AM)
And Kikoho wins still............it is a beam

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For the love of God it's not Ki-Ko-Hou it's Shin-Ki-Ko-Hou get it right. Shin-Ki-Ko-Hou = Tri-beam, Ki-ko-hou is a weaker version of that.

sportsfreak99 · 05-16-2005

well that easy. its the universal spirit bomb. another strong one is 100x Big Bang Kamehameha but it takes 2 of those to kill Omega Shenron but the universal spirit bomb takes 1 to kill Omega Shenron. so the Universal Spirit Bomb is the strongest move ever.

GikuHonishimo · 05-16-2005

QUOTE(ssj4johnny @ May 15 2005, 02:22 PM)
well that easy. its the universal spirit bomb. another strong one is 100x Big Bang Kamehameha but it takes 2 of those to kill Omega Shenron but the universal spirit bomb takes 1 to kill Omega Shenron. so the Universal Spirit Bomb is the strongest move ever.

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Universal Spirit Bomb = Not a beam, therefore the 100x Big Bang Kamehameha = Strongest Beam in DBGT. And second, Kikoho vs Kamehameha = Kamehameha wins. Shin-ki-ko-hou vs Kamehameha = Shin-ki-ko-hou wins, get your facts straight. The kamehameha could've done more damage to nappa than the ki-ko-hou did, meh.

The Speed Phantom · 05-17-2005

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And second, Kikoho vs Kamehameha = Kamehameha wins.

There's really no way to prove that. Kikoho has been shown to be very devastating, seeing as how Tenshinhan used it at the 22nd Tenka'ichi Budoukai.

.Dragonball_Legacy · 05-17-2005

ALL DBZ techniques depend on how they are used...

The Special Beam Cannon probably wouldn't have killed Raditz if Gohan didn't cause a break in Raditz's Armor... and it generally isn't that strong anyways...

Kamehameha is generally one of the weakest techniques, but it also one of the few techniques that can be implied upon to become even stronger...

Final Flash is truely an awesome and overpowering technique...
But the Final Flash uses up alot of energy when it used with its full power...

The Big Bang attack is also quite well a very powerful technique...
But like the final flash it is also quite expensive to use...

Kamikaze Ghost Attack will always be one of my favorites...
But this technique is easy to avoid if you just hit the damn things with some energy blasts...

Tribeam is truely an awesome attack... but it strains too much and it can truely ineffective since it normally has little if any true effect... I mean it is powerful, but it can also be ineffective... because the blast is all spread out... not concentrated enough to cause any true damage...

Spirit Bomb is only effective if the opponent has any evil in their heart, otherwise it is a futile technique if Goku tried to use it against someone like Gohan...

Galick Gun is like the Kamehameha, but is generally alot more powerful...

Goku had to use Kaioken x 3 just to get at the same power level... against Vegeta whom is at base level... And Kaioken x 3 Goku > Vegeta Base level... Therefore Galick Gun > A normal Kamehameha

But the strongest attack will always be the Destructo Disk... 10x the power.... 10x the powaaa!!!!

If Goku would have just through out a double destructo disk and Majin Buu... and just control them and use them as blenders and then tell Gohan to keep blendering him as Goku prepares to use a Spirit Bomb and then absorb it like he did against Android Super 13, then Super Buu could have been defeated even if the Fusion Dance had no time limit...

The Speed Phantom · 05-17-2005

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The Special Beam Cannon probably wouldn't have killed Raditz if Gohan didn't cause a break in Raditz's Armor... and it generally isn't that strong anyways...

All Gohan did was weaken Raditz so that Goku could hold him. The Makankousappou that killed Raditz had a power level of 1,440, which is higher than Raditz's own power level. So yes, the Makankousappou was stronger than Raditz, but had he not been weakened by Gohan, then the Makankousappou probably wouldn't have connected like it did.

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Spirit Bomb is only effective if the opponent has any evil in their heart, otherwise it is a futile technique if Goku tried to use it against someone like Gohan...

It is never stated that the Genki Dama only harms those that are evil. It is only stated that if you have a pure heart, you can bounce the Genki Dama away. If Goku never told Gohan that he could bounce the Genki Dama away, Gohan would have died.

05-17-2005

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The Special Beam Cannon probably wouldn't have killed Raditz if Gohan didn't cause a break in Raditz's Armor... and it generally isn't that strong anyways...

Piccolo's first one went through Raditz shoulder armor piece.........it would have pierced and it was higher than his PL

Tribeam is truely an awesome attack... but it strains too much and it can truely ineffective since it normally has little if any true effect... I mean it is powerful, but it can also be ineffective... because the blast is all spread out... not concentrated enough to cause any true damage...

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If Goku would have just through out a double destructo disk and Majin Buu... and just control them and use them as blenders and then tell Gohan to keep blendering him as Goku prepares to use a Spirit Bomb and then absorb it like he did against Android Super 13, then Super Buu could have been defeated even if the Fusion Dance had no time limit...

Unless Super Buu decided to use his new state to absorb Goku..........

GikuHonishimo · 05-18-2005

QUOTE(nyqua @ May 16 2005, 03:35 PM)
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The Special Beam Cannon probably wouldn't have killed Raditz if Gohan didn't cause a break in Raditz's Armor... and it generally isn't that strong anyways...

Piccolo's first one went through Raditz shoulder armor piece.........it would have pierced and it was higher than his PL

Tribeam is truely an awesome attack... but it strains too much and it can truely ineffective since it normally has little if any true effect... I mean it is powerful, but it can also be ineffective... because the blast is all spread out... not concentrated enough to cause any true damage...

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If Goku would have just through out a double destructo disk and Majin Buu... and just control them and use them as blenders and then tell Gohan to keep blendering him as Goku prepares to use a Spirit Bomb and then absorb it like he did against Android Super 13, then Super Buu could have been defeated even if the Fusion Dance had no time limit...

Unless Super Buu decided to use his new state to absorb Goku..........

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What would be the point of absorbing Goku? It wouldn't make him all THAT much stronger than Gohan, if it would make him stronger than Gohan at all. Now if he absorbed SSJ3 Goku that might be another story.

05-18-2005

QUOTE(GikuHonishimo @ May 17 2005, 03:29 PM)
QUOTE(nyqua @ May 16 2005, 03:35 PM)
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The Special Beam Cannon probably wouldn't have killed Raditz if Gohan didn't cause a break in Raditz's Armor... and it generally isn't that strong anyways...

Piccolo's first one went through Raditz shoulder armor piece.........it would have pierced and it was higher than his PL

Tribeam is truely an awesome attack... but it strains too much and it can truely ineffective since it normally has little if any true effect... I mean it is powerful, but it can also be ineffective... because the blast is all spread out... not concentrated enough to cause any true damage...

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If Goku would have just through out a double destructo disk and Majin Buu... and just control them and use them as blenders and then tell Gohan to keep blendering him as Goku prepares to use a Spirit Bomb and then absorb it like he did against Android Super 13, then Super Buu could have been defeated even if the Fusion Dance had no time limit...

Unless Super Buu decided to use his new state to absorb Goku..........

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What would be the point of absorbing Goku? It wouldn't make him all THAT much stronger than Gohan, if it would make him stronger than Gohan at all. Now if he absorbed SSJ3 Goku that might be another story.

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I meant to stop using the kienzan things............or he just just wrap around and kill him

**SS2 Vegeto** · 05-25-2005

Spirit bomb, final kamehameha, big bang kamehameha, final flash, father-son kamehameha, self destruct, are all stronger than all of those attacks. Nuff said.

GikuHonishimo · 05-25-2005

QUOTE(SS2 Vegeto @ May 24 2005, 04:36 PM)
Spirit bomb, final kamehameha, big bang kamehameha, final flash, father-son kamehameha, self destruct, are all stronger than all of those attacks. Nuff said.

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Why don't you read what he posted at the beginning. It's not stronger attack, it's STRONGER BEAM, you should read the first page before even posting.

**Crayne** · 05-25-2005

Yeah, we see Kikoho's weakness in the Saiyan saga.

Tien does Kikoho against Nappa(however, with one hand, which could've made the attack weaker) but it only breaks a part of Nappa's armor.

But, we see the power, when Tien is stalling Cell(Or did he perform a Shin Kikoho?). Cell>Tien, but still Tien is able to stall Cell enough for 18 to run away.

Anyways, Kikoho uses your ki AND your lifepower. A dangerous attack, not just for the opponent, but to the user himself.

Now, Kamehameha...Can be made more powerful...And so on.

Kikoho has it's pro's and con's.
But so do other attacks.

05-14-2005	#31 (permalink)
Anonymous Guest Posts: n/a	Stroger atk QUOTE(gogeta the super fusion @ May 12 2005, 07:08 PM) Freezer can kill Vegeto by using the death Ball on the core of the planet. Speicail beam cannon pierces the opponent's heart. In Budokai, the Tri beam is a death-move, but the special beam cannon is an ultimate. Ultimate>>>>death move [snapback]354958[/snapback] Vegito could kill Freeza before he even think of forming it Kikoho evaporates the person......... Budokai? INSTANT PHAIL

05-14-2005	#32 (permalink)
GikuHonishimo (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: I live behind closed eyes Posts: 1,236 Rep Power: 5	Stroger atk Budokai instant phails at everything, it's a game and you can't judge an attacks power on the game. In the Jap Anime version the Shin-Ki-Ko-Hou (Tri-beam) is definately one of the strongest beams because it = Held off semi-perfect cell, and probably could've easily destroyed Imperfect Cell or 100% Frieza without much difficulty, and there's no way a super saiyan could beat that kind of power. __________________ - My official DBZ fanfiction.

05-15-2005	#33 (permalink)
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05-15-2005	#34 (permalink)
GikuHonishimo (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: I live behind closed eyes Posts: 1,236 Rep Power: 5	Stroger atk QUOTE(nyqua @ May 15 2005, 08:26 AM) And Kikoho wins still............it is a beam [snapback]356222[/snapback] For the love of God it's not Ki-Ko-Hou it's Shin-Ki-Ko-Hou get it right. Shin-Ki-Ko-Hou = Tri-beam, Ki-ko-hou is a weaker version of that. __________________ - My official DBZ fanfiction.

05-16-2005	#35 (permalink)
sportsfreak99 (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: May 2005 Location: On the basketball court Posts: 1,407 Rep Power: 6	Stroger atk well that easy. its the universal spirit bomb. another strong one is 100x Big Bang Kamehameha but it takes 2 of those to kill Omega Shenron but the universal spirit bomb takes 1 to kill Omega Shenron. so the Universal Spirit Bomb is the strongest move ever. __________________ My Wii Code: 8978 1965 6210 4190 Add me as a friend if you want.(My Wii might never ever be in use) Xbox 360 username: coldwarrior99

05-16-2005	#36 (permalink)
GikuHonishimo (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: I live behind closed eyes Posts: 1,236 Rep Power: 5	Stroger atk QUOTE(ssj4johnny @ May 15 2005, 02:22 PM) well that easy. its the universal spirit bomb. another strong one is 100x Big Bang Kamehameha but it takes 2 of those to kill Omega Shenron but the universal spirit bomb takes 1 to kill Omega Shenron. so the Universal Spirit Bomb is the strongest move ever. [snapback]356472[/snapback] Universal Spirit Bomb = Not a beam, therefore the 100x Big Bang Kamehameha = Strongest Beam in DBGT. And second, Kikoho vs Kamehameha = Kamehameha wins. Shin-ki-ko-hou vs Kamehameha = Shin-ki-ko-hou wins, get your facts straight. The kamehameha could've done more damage to nappa than the ki-ko-hou did, meh. __________________ - My official DBZ fanfiction.

05-17-2005	#37 (permalink)
The Speed Phantom (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,588 Rep Power: 6	Stroger atk QUOTE And second, Kikoho vs Kamehameha = Kamehameha wins. There's really no way to prove that. Kikoho has been shown to be very devastating, seeing as how Tenshinhan used it at the 22nd Tenka'ichi Budoukai. __________________

05-17-2005	#38 (permalink)
.Dragonball_Legacy (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,135 Rep Power: 0	Stroger atk ALL DBZ techniques depend on how they are used... The Special Beam Cannon probably wouldn't have killed Raditz if Gohan didn't cause a break in Raditz's Armor... and it generally isn't that strong anyways... Kamehameha is generally one of the weakest techniques, but it also one of the few techniques that can be implied upon to become even stronger... Final Flash is truely an awesome and overpowering technique... But the Final Flash uses up alot of energy when it used with its full power... The Big Bang attack is also quite well a very powerful technique... But like the final flash it is also quite expensive to use... Kamikaze Ghost Attack will always be one of my favorites... But this technique is easy to avoid if you just hit the damn things with some energy blasts... Tribeam is truely an awesome attack... but it strains too much and it can truely ineffective since it normally has little if any true effect... I mean it is powerful, but it can also be ineffective... because the blast is all spread out... not concentrated enough to cause any true damage... Spirit Bomb is only effective if the opponent has any evil in their heart, otherwise it is a futile technique if Goku tried to use it against someone like Gohan... Galick Gun is like the Kamehameha, but is generally alot more powerful... Goku had to use Kaioken x 3 just to get at the same power level... against Vegeta whom is at base level... And Kaioken x 3 Goku > Vegeta Base level... Therefore Galick Gun > A normal Kamehameha But the strongest attack will always be the Destructo Disk... 10x the power.... 10x the powaaa!!!! If Goku would have just through out a double destructo disk and Majin Buu... and just control them and use them as blenders and then tell Gohan to keep blendering him as Goku prepares to use a Spirit Bomb and then absorb it like he did against Android Super 13, then Super Buu could have been defeated even if the Fusion Dance had no time limit...

05-17-2005	#39 (permalink)
The Speed Phantom (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,588 Rep Power: 6	Stroger atk QUOTE The Special Beam Cannon probably wouldn't have killed Raditz if Gohan didn't cause a break in Raditz's Armor... and it generally isn't that strong anyways... All Gohan did was weaken Raditz so that Goku could hold him. The Makankousappou that killed Raditz had a power level of 1,440, which is higher than Raditz's own power level. So yes, the Makankousappou was stronger than Raditz, but had he not been weakened by Gohan, then the Makankousappou probably wouldn't have connected like it did. QUOTE Spirit Bomb is only effective if the opponent has any evil in their heart, otherwise it is a futile technique if Goku tried to use it against someone like Gohan... It is never stated that the Genki Dama only harms those that are evil. It is only stated that if you have a pure heart, you can bounce the Genki Dama away. If Goku never told Gohan that he could bounce the Genki Dama away, Gohan would have died. __________________

05-17-2005	#40 (permalink)
Anonymous Guest Posts: n/a	Stroger atk QUOTE The Special Beam Cannon probably wouldn't have killed Raditz if Gohan didn't cause a break in Raditz's Armor... and it generally isn't that strong anyways... Piccolo's first one went through Raditz shoulder armor piece.........it would have pierced and it was higher than his PL Tribeam is truely an awesome attack... but it strains too much and it can truely ineffective since it normally has little if any true effect... I mean it is powerful, but it can also be ineffective... because the blast is all spread out... not concentrated enough to cause any true damage... QUOTE If Goku would have just through out a double destructo disk and Majin Buu... and just control them and use them as blenders and then tell Gohan to keep blendering him as Goku prepares to use a Spirit Bomb and then absorb it like he did against Android Super 13, then Super Buu could have been defeated even if the Fusion Dance had no time limit... Unless Super Buu decided to use his new state to absorb Goku..........

05-18-2005	#41 (permalink)
GikuHonishimo (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: I live behind closed eyes Posts: 1,236 Rep Power: 5	Stroger atk QUOTE(nyqua @ May 16 2005, 03:35 PM) QUOTE The Special Beam Cannon probably wouldn't have killed Raditz if Gohan didn't cause a break in Raditz's Armor... and it generally isn't that strong anyways... Piccolo's first one went through Raditz shoulder armor piece.........it would have pierced and it was higher than his PL Tribeam is truely an awesome attack... but it strains too much and it can truely ineffective since it normally has little if any true effect... I mean it is powerful, but it can also be ineffective... because the blast is all spread out... not concentrated enough to cause any true damage... QUOTE If Goku would have just through out a double destructo disk and Majin Buu... and just control them and use them as blenders and then tell Gohan to keep blendering him as Goku prepares to use a Spirit Bomb and then absorb it like he did against Android Super 13, then Super Buu could have been defeated even if the Fusion Dance had no time limit... Unless Super Buu decided to use his new state to absorb Goku.......... [snapback]357195[/snapback] What would be the point of absorbing Goku? It wouldn't make him all THAT much stronger than Gohan, if it would make him stronger than Gohan at all. Now if he absorbed SSJ3 Goku that might be another story. __________________ - My official DBZ fanfiction.

05-18-2005	#42 (permalink)
Anonymous Guest Posts: n/a	Stroger atk QUOTE(GikuHonishimo @ May 17 2005, 03:29 PM) QUOTE(nyqua @ May 16 2005, 03:35 PM) QUOTE The Special Beam Cannon probably wouldn't have killed Raditz if Gohan didn't cause a break in Raditz's Armor... and it generally isn't that strong anyways... Piccolo's first one went through Raditz shoulder armor piece.........it would have pierced and it was higher than his PL Tribeam is truely an awesome attack... but it strains too much and it can truely ineffective since it normally has little if any true effect... I mean it is powerful, but it can also be ineffective... because the blast is all spread out... not concentrated enough to cause any true damage... QUOTE If Goku would have just through out a double destructo disk and Majin Buu... and just control them and use them as blenders and then tell Gohan to keep blendering him as Goku prepares to use a Spirit Bomb and then absorb it like he did against Android Super 13, then Super Buu could have been defeated even if the Fusion Dance had no time limit... Unless Super Buu decided to use his new state to absorb Goku.......... [snapback]357195[/snapback] What would be the point of absorbing Goku? It wouldn't make him all THAT much stronger than Gohan, if it would make him stronger than Gohan at all. Now if he absorbed SSJ3 Goku that might be another story. [snapback]357798[/snapback] I meant to stop using the kienzan things............or he just just wrap around and kill him

05-25-2005	#43 (permalink)
SS2 Vegeto Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In God's Hands Posts: 9,396 Rep Power: 37	Stroger atk Spirit bomb, final kamehameha, big bang kamehameha, final flash, father-son kamehameha, self destruct, are all stronger than all of those attacks. Nuff said. __________________

05-25-2005	#44 (permalink)
GikuHonishimo (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: I live behind closed eyes Posts: 1,236 Rep Power: 5	Stroger atk QUOTE(SS2 Vegeto @ May 24 2005, 04:36 PM) Spirit bomb, final kamehameha, big bang kamehameha, final flash, father-son kamehameha, self destruct, are all stronger than all of those attacks. Nuff said. [snapback]362718[/snapback] Why don't you read what he posted at the beginning. It's not stronger attack, it's STRONGER BEAM, you should read the first page before even posting. __________________ - My official DBZ fanfiction.

05-25-2005	#45 (permalink)
Crayne Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Winland Posts: 7,448 Blog Entries: 10 Rep Power: 54	Stroger atk Yeah, we see Kikoho's weakness in the Saiyan saga. Tien does Kikoho against Nappa(however, with one hand, which could've made the attack weaker) but it only breaks a part of Nappa's armor. But, we see the power, when Tien is stalling Cell(Or did he perform a Shin Kikoho?). Cell>Tien, but still Tien is able to stall Cell enough for 18 to run away. Anyways, Kikoho uses your ki AND your lifepower. A dangerous attack, not just for the opponent, but to the user himself. Now, Kamehameha...Can be made more powerful...And so on. Kikoho has it's pro's and con's. But so do other attacks. __________________ NO WAI