.Extreme Perfect Cell

For one thing, I hate it when they turned Android 17 into a bad guy, which resulted in him fusing with Hell Android 17 into Super 17. Bleh, this would have been avoided if TOEI didn't get all stuck up in trying to make DBGT the so-called best anime. Besides, what I learned from TOEI was something to do with screwing up Vegeta:

1): Vegeta could have been strong enough to take down Baby-Gohan while he was driving home with Bulla.

2): He got weaker all of a sudden. For one thing, he was tough enough to stand up against Hell Android 17, but not on Super 17.

3): It would have been better if TOEI would have let Vegeta fuse into Goku. If they fused into Gogeta, Super 17 would have been killed faster.

Still, there's one thing TOEI will always be lacking: Akira Toryama. Without him, DBGT isn't going to be the same as the old DBZ. If I were him, I could have had Vegeta summoned the will to become Super Saiyan 3, where he could have smashed up 17 along side Child Goku and 18. But, did TOEI do that? No! In the part where Vegeta and Trunks were struggling to get up from the wreckage of the city, this is where the lack of action was. The better idea would have been to allow Vegeta to go assist the be-sieged Goku. But, instead, they used 18 instead.

That's all, for now.

.Vegetaisthebest15

QUOTE(Extreme Perfect Cell @ Apr 17 2005, 05:09 PM)
For one thing, I hate it when they turned Android 17 into a bad guy, which resulted in him fusing with Hell Android 17 into Super 17. Bleh, this would have been avoided if TOEI didn't get all stuck up in trying to make DBGT the so-called best anime. Besides, what I learned from TOEI was something to do with screwing up Vegeta:

1): Vegeta could have been strong enough to take down Baby-Gohan while he was driving home with Bulla.

2): He got weaker all of a sudden. For one thing, he was tough enough to stand up against Hell Android 17, but not on Super 17.

3): It would have been better if TOEI would have let Vegeta fuse into Goku. If they fused into Gogeta, Super 17 would have been killed faster.

Still, there's one thing TOEI will always be lacking: Akira Toryama. Without him, DBGT isn't going to be the same as the old DBZ. If I were him, I could have had Vegeta summoned the will to become Super Saiyan 3, where he could have smashed up 17 along side Child Goku and 18. But, did TOEI do that? No! In the part where Vegeta and Trunks were struggling to get up from the wreckage of the city, this is where the lack of action was. The better idea would have been to allow Vegeta to go assist the be-sieged Goku. But, instead, they used 18 instead.

That's all, for now.




TOEI COMPLETLY SCREWED UP! they NEED akira toriyama was a required peice for DBGT to be worth our time....but he didnt. he needs to come back and give us some good stuff, not this junk toei makes

.Extreme Perfect Cell

Heh, and that's just the beginning of the problem! For another thing, when FUNi came along, they screwed it up even more. The one problem I could never get over with was when they cut out a bunch of episodes, and passed them on to Dragonball series fans in stores. This was pretty much another one of FUNi's money making schemes.

.Vegetaisthebest15

that was the other thing taht burned me up too. TOEI and FUNi ruined GT

.Extreme Perfect Cell

But still, there's still a gap between Android 17's good and bad side. For example, why did he turn into a bad guy once again? I'm getting the TOEI tried to fool people into thinking the reason how this happened to him was that being good bored him a lot. Thus, he turned evil.

Good God, I hate them.

.Vegetaisthebest15

i do too. the only thing i LIKE about GT is Pan. she's pretty neat. ANOTHER of my major gripes is Trunks. They dressed him like a nerd!!!!!!! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it drives me crazy

.Extreme Perfect Cell

Your telling me. TOEI was stupid enough to make Adult Gohan look like a total nerd, with glasses and everything to a suit. Still, another reason why I hate TOEI was when they made Goku into a child. I found this to be very un-necessary. Man, it blows to see Goku getting tortured like that.

.gokusucks

QUOTE(Vegetaisthebest15 @ Apr 17 2005, 10:19 PM)
that was the other thing taht burned me up too. TOEI and FUNi ruined GT



They didn't ruin GT, they made it.


Yeah GT is bad. We lose plenty of cool characters, and who replaces them? Pan and Giru, two whiny obnoxious losers.

.Vegetaisthebest15

QUOTE(gokusucks @ Apr 17 2005, 07:00 PM)
QUOTE(Vegetaisthebest15 @ Apr 17 2005, 10:19 PM)
that was the other thing taht burned me up too. TOEI and FUNi ruined GT



They didn't ruin GT, they made it.


Yeah GT is bad. We lose plenty of cool characters, and who replaces them? Pan and Giru, two whiny obnoxious losers.



well that is true they DID make it. but as if the japanese wasnt bad enough, FUNi cut a WHOLE lota stuff.

QUOTE(Extreme Perfect Cell @ Apr 17 2005, 06:47 PM)
Your telling me. TOEI was stupid enough to make Adult Gohan look like a total nerd, with glasses and everything to a suit. Still, another reason why I hate TOEI was when they made Goku into a child. I found this to be very un-necessary. Man, it blows to see Goku getting tortured like that.



yea the gohan thing bugged me quite a bit. the goku thing didnt bother me as bad cuz i dont like goku much but it was kinda stupid. they made trunks more nerdy and they made vegeta look like a fool. they didnt make his hair very pointy at all in the beginning. and they gave him some stupid mustache. i was ready to strangle when i saw that.

.Extreme Perfect Cell

Vegeta was a great Saiyan in battle, as Puka mentioned. But, in DBGT, they screwed him up! Argh! I hate it when TOEI is the always the one pulling their strings like puppets in a cheap puppet show itself. Yet, the best thing TOEI was able to make Vegeta look good was when he fused together to create Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta to try and defeat Omega Shenlong.

Plus, the worse thing TOEI did was when they didn't bother to focus on the other characters of the series. Baba, Tien, Chaotzu, Master Roshi, and Oolong were good characters, until you-know-what came along.

.ZFIGHTER_PAN

QUOTE(Extreme Perfect Cell @ Apr 17 2005, 04:09 PM)

3): It would have been better if TOEI would have let Vegeta fuse into Goku. If they fused into Gogeta, Super 17 would have been killed faster.






Vegeta couldn't have fused with Goku then because they weren't at the same powerlevels yet since Vegeta hadn't acheived SSJ4.

Unless you meant if they had let Vegeta keep his tail after the Bebi saga then ya that would have been a good idea.

.Extreme Perfect Cell

QUOTE(ZFIGHTER_PAN @ Apr 17 2005, 08:54 PM)
QUOTE(Extreme Perfect Cell @ Apr 17 2005, 04:09 PM)

3): It would have been better if TOEI would have let Vegeta fuse into Goku. If they fused into Gogeta, Super 17 would have been killed faster.






Vegeta couldn't have fused with Goku then because they weren't at the same powerlevels yet since Vegeta hadn't acheived SSJ4.


Whoops. Then, I should have said this:

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3): Vegeta could've kept his tail to acheive SS4.


Yet sadly, TOEI made another mistake in letting Golden Were-monkey Baby-Vegeta lose his tail, where SS4 Goku would have found a better alternative in subduing him. For example, just how was Goku able to use the Kamehameha to blast Baby-Vegeta's tail off? You had to use something sharp, like Krillin's Sharp Disk Attack, to do so.

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Unless you meant if they had let Vegeta keep his tail after the Bebi saga then ya that would have been a good idea.



Yup. Instead of having Vegeta go the cheater way in using Bulma's Brute Ray to make SS4, TOEI would've made him leave his tail intact.

.Vegetaisthebest15

i didnt much like baby vegeta either. they made it too easy to get vegeta infected. vegeta coulda wooped gohan's butt but they hadta let vegeta mess up AGAIN. they like to pick on him or sommat. make him look stupid.

Superior

Super Moderator Note: Extreme Perfect Cell and Vegetaisthebest15, please if you are going to chat back and forth with each other do it via PM, AIM, MSN, or some other service. Don't just keep posting back and forth. Let others come in and say something. Thanks!

Anyway, I like DBGT no matter who made it. I don't really care that Akira wasn't part of it. Would it have been 1000x better if he was? There is no doubt in my mind that it would. However, he wasn't part of it so maybe we should just quit complaining about what TOEI all did wrong. It's not as if we can go in the past and change it.

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.Extreme Perfect Cell

QUOTE(Superior @ Apr 17 2005, 10:41 PM)
Super Moderator Note: Extreme Perfect Cell and Vegetaisthebest15, please if you are going to chat back and forth with each other do it via PM, AIM, MSN, or some other service. Don't just keep posting back and forth. Let others come in and say something. Thanks!


I wish I can do so, Superior, but my computer doesn't have the messengers anymore. I used to proudly talk to every person I know by them, but now that the computer went through yet another re-booting. With this, AIM, MSN, and Yahoo IM are all gone. The e-mails for MSN and Yahoo are all that's left.

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Anyway, I like DBGT no matter who made it. I don't really care that Akira wasn't part of it. Would it have been 1000x better if he was? There is no doubt in my mind that it would. However, he wasn't part of it so maybe we should just quit complaining about what TOEI all did wrong. It's not as if we can go in the past and change it.



Meh, you seem to speak my kind of language that I often use to describe my beliefs of why DBGt is a great anime show. Yet still, even if TOEI and FUNimation had sucked the fun out of the every anime show they get their hands on, DBGT seems to be far better than the series in DBZ. But, I would have been a lot happier (including everyone else), if Akira Toriyama made that show.

Also, I hate it when FUNimation keep adding more people which some of which can be none existant, into the credits. For example, I know Akira didn't create write the scripts of DBGT. And yet, FUNi still adds Akira's name into the last shot of DBGT credits.