Darkprince410

Then why not call the Ssj transformations different names as well, since not everyone transformed into an Ssj in the same manner? To refer to everyone's regular Ssj transformation simply as Ssj while referring to Ssj2 or Ssj3 by what measures were taken to reach the form seems contradictory.

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.Dragonball_Legacy

I do I call Chibi Trunks' and Goten's SSJ forms Descendent Super Saiyan since they both get their transformation capabilities from their fathers who are super saiyans.

Darkprince410

One flaw with that theory is that we don't know exactly when Bejiita attained Ssj during those three years, and whether Torankusu had been concieved after Bejiita went Ssj or not. Torankusu would have been in existence (counting from the moment he was concieved till his first appearance) for nearly a year and a half, meaning that Bejiita would have needed to transform into Ssj within the initial 1.5 years in order for that theory to work.

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.Dragonball_Legacy

We do know when Vegeta obtained his transformation, it would have to be sometime prior to when Goku had faught 19 but after Piccolo and Goku had started their training in the higher power levels.

Well you see its not really a matter of having the ability to go super saiyan that transcends the transformation as automatic, it would have to be the powerlevels of the two being that reproduced. Abilities are never brought over in such a manner.

But of course Goku was way too weak to go Super Saiyan, when Gohan was conceived, but Vegeta had a much more higher power level than Goku when Goku had achieved Super Saiyan. So with such a high power level any child he had would become a super saiyan.

.gogeta the super fusion

SS is atained through high PL and rage. Ultra Saiyan is atained through training. Full power Super saiyain is attended through controling of the Super saiyan state. Super saiyan two is atend through training and rage. ss3 is asttained through training and more rage stated in a magazine.

And Toei just add in super saiyans like Goku Jr and Vegeta jr. Goku jr weould have never been ss without toei. goku Jr's a coward.

.Dragonball_Legacy

Where would Goku get the rage from to go SSJ3?

.SSJ2 Gohan

It isnt rage that turns him SSJ3, he states its a power "Deep from the heart" or somewhere along those lines. All you need to go SSJ3 is to access that power. Because Gotenks didnt have rage to turn SSJ3.

Duo

Legacy. It's fine to have your alternate names and all, but we are not familar with them so you have to take the time to explain it whether it be a blog, a post, or an editorial.

And different means don't have to make a different end. Son Gohan in the Cell Games, Son Goku in the Babidi fight, and Vegeta in the Babidi fight all had the same characteristics and capabilities in the form stated by Son Goku as "Super Saiyan 2". I, personally, think it wiser to go by something stated in the Manga. You are trying to classify things based on your observations and conclusions, but we are trying to classify things based on stated fact and apparent/obvious conclusions.

So, there is not going to be an instance of us seeing eye to eye, so perhaps you need to rethink your approach a bit, nothing against you, just a suggestion.

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So Legacy, what do you call Future Trunks' SSj form? We never see how he gets it in the manga, most of the History of Trunks is filler.

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.Dragonball_Legacy

QUOTE(Chibi Mystic Gohan @ Mar 30 2005, 07:46 PM)
So Legacy, what do you call Future Trunks' SSj form?* We never see how he gets it in the manga, most of the History of Trunks is filler.




Well you see, if one source does not portray then you accept what is given from another source, the anime. That is what is called filler acceptance also called Common Sense, which you have none of.

Trunks gained his super saiyan form in a simular means to Goku and Gohan, through seeing the death of someone else.

Either way you look at it Future Gohan must have died in order for Future Trunks to become a Super Saiyan, filler or not.

So Trunks is just a normal Super Saiyan, no special means he took to become it.

Now Chibi Trunks and Goten could be consider Natural Super Saiyans or Decendent Super Saiyans.

Duo, aren't you suppose to be dealing with other people too, all I see is you wasting your time with me, you are not fit to be an administrator if all you do is worry about one individual all the time.

Then again I don't accept the Buu Saga, cause it wasn't really a true saga of Dragonball Manga.

Duo

Legacy, I've let 5 things go that you've said (Flames) so don't think I'm giving anyone special treatment.

In the Manga, Trunks was shown to be a Super Saiyan (Fully controlled) before Gohan died, so the Anime contradicted that.

Don't tell me how to do my job - that's not your place, especially in a public domain.

The Buu saga was a true Saga of the DB Manga, what gives you reason to discredit it?

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QUOTE(Dragonball Legacy)
Well you see, if one source does not portray then you accept what is given from another source, the anime. That is what is called filler acceptance


I don't have to accept something that contradicts the manga. Trunks was SSj, training with Gohan, before Gohan's death.

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mackBlasta

Trunks=SSj before Gohan's death. Kthxbai

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.gogeta the super fusion

I like the Anime version beter, more dramactic. He was like "GOOHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNN NNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!". but it shows Trunks as an Ss before Gohan died. and History of Trunks is not filer it shows the life of an Z character. It takes place , just watch the Andriod saga. It takes place after Goku died of the Heat Virus 3 years after the fight with Cyborg Freeza. And Trunks is like a weakling without SS.

Chibi Mystic Gohan

It's still mostly filler.

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