If bardock died then why.... - Page 3

.SSJ2 Gohan · 03-28-2005

QUOTE(the Predator @ Mar 27 2005, 02:00 PM)
QUOTE(super saiyan @ Mar 27 2005, 01:43 PM)
QUOTE(Bardock ssj7 @ Mar 27 2005, 01:10 PM)
If bardock died then why didn't goku meet him in the afterlife? And if he went to hell, then in GT when all the bad guys from hell escaped, where was bardock? Did Akira forgot this?

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Akira toriyama did not make dragonball GT it was made by toei animation and thet suck that is why he was not there

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i concur. GT sucks thats why bardock wasnt there. and of course they culdnt reveal all characters. i mean king vegeta wasnt there either.

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Vegeta (Planet) was very far from earth. From the intel gathered and the picture made by the animators hell and heavan were only for earthlings and people killed by earth inhabitents, and Bardock was neither.

I think :S

..::Bardock::. · 03-28-2005

Your theory = Crap

It was nevar stated.

.Anakin · 03-28-2005

QUOTE(the Predator @ Mar 27 2005, 12:11 PM)
i so dont agree with you blackmasta. Bardock was not good nor evil he was netral. Saiyans were raised to kill , you culd say hunters are saiyans. will they go to hell? i dunno. But bardock did become good in the end. Bardock is my fav character and i almost know the bardock special by heart. i'll give you some quotes which indicate that he did become good: "This is for all the people we killed under your name, HERE HAVE IT !" (bardock to frieza)

"its not too late father, to be different, than him" (In the fake vision)

"Kakarot, my son, you were right it wasn't too late, I wish i could've held you in my arms when i had the chance, goodbye my son" (At the end)

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Even if you are born and raised to kill, its still wrong. It may have been their way of life, but it was still wrong

..::Bardock::. · 03-28-2005

Anakin you might want to take off that signature, it's way to big in file size.

But it's true! Bardock became an evil gray cloud!

.SSJ2 Gohan · 03-28-2005

But in hell all the super villans are given bodies (as shown in kid buu saga)

So why not bardock, or even if he was classed as good and went to heaven then goku would of been told or given the information that bardock was around when he spend 7 years there.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 03-28-2005

GT and Toriyama shouldn't go together in the same sentence, unless it's to say "Toriyama didn't make GT."

Bardock went straight to hell. Vegeta did more good than him by the Buu Saga, yet he lost his body. Bardock didn't even do any "good" in the manga...

In fact, what did he do that was "good" in the movie? He was just trying to save his ass from Freeza.

.VegettoEX · 03-28-2005

QUOTE(Crayne @ Mar 27 2005, 06:23 PM)
The movie special and GT were not made by AT. That's why Bardock is never shown in the series.

Um... yes he was.

In fact, Toriyama-sensei did the final designs for Bardock and his team. He loved the TV special so much that he even incorporated a couple bits into the manga.

This page isn't finished yet (I want to add Nakatsuru-sensei's original character designs for Bardock & Co., and I want to replace the Viz scans with kanzenban scans)... but it'll totally contradict what you just said

.

http://www.daizex.com/general/tidbits/bardock.shtml

.Future_Trunks · 03-28-2005

QUOTE
The movie special and GT were not made by AT. That's why Bardock is never shown in the series.

That says it all. Bardock became a cloud and that's that.

no they do show bardock in the anime.. but for like a 2 second...

its when freaza saw goku for the first time and he remembers the face of bardock..

QUOTE
Vegeta (Planet) was very far from earth. From the intel gathered and the picture made by the animators hell and heavan were only for earthlings and people killed by earth inhabitents, and Bardock was neither.

I think :S

thats not a bad thoery...

Duo · 03-28-2005

It's funny because when Goku ask's "Hey King Enma (Yamma to Anime lovers) do aliens come through here?"

"Yes, all species from all planets must pass this checkpoint."

"Even Raditz?"

"Oh yes, I dealt with him myself."
--

FT, He wasn't talking about the Anime.

.Dragonball_Legacy · 03-30-2005

Actually Bardock was neutral but a bit on the good side, he didn't really have any hero qualities but he valued the lives of his team. He didn't really do that much harm and he probably took quite a bit of blows in the past to protect Toma and the other members of his crew. So Bardock isn't evil, he doesn't seem to care about his sons, but that doesn't make him evil either.

Vegeta, if you must be retold, was very very evil, he despise all life and took advantage over anyone he met. He took advantage over Nappa, he was spoiled by King Vegeta and later by Frieza (ironicly), and later he just seemed to just care all about himself. Piccolo had said that Vegeta's evil would outweigh his good, because he does way too many selfish things.

Bardock may have his faults, but he shows much more good than Vegeta, enough for one true act of self sacrifice to outweigh any evil he has done.

.DBZGorrilaman@aol.com · 03-30-2005

I'm sure the Bardock movie was made after Goku dies in DBZ. And if Bardock came in DBGT it would really change the whole story that they planned out. Or they just forgot.

Duo · 03-30-2005

Either way, he'd still just end up as a little soul cloud.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 03-30-2005

QUOTE(Dragonball_Legacy @ Mar 29 2005, 04:34 PM)
Actually Bardock was neutral but a bit on the good side, he didn't really have any hero qualities but he valued the lives of his team. He didn't really do that much harm and he probably took quite a bit of blows in the past to protect Toma and the other members of his crew. So Bardock isn't evil, he doesn't seem to care about his sons, but that doesn't make him evil either.

Vegeta, if you must be retold, was very very evil, he despise all life and took advantage over anyone he met. He took advantage over Nappa, he was spoiled by King Vegeta and later by Frieza (ironicly), and later he just seemed to just care all about himself. Piccolo had said that Vegeta's evil would outweigh his good, because he does way too many selfish things.

Bardock may have his faults, but he shows much more good than Vegeta, enough for one true act of self sacrifice to outweigh any evil he has done.

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It doesn't matter if his evil deeds was outweighed by his "one true act of self sacrifice," because you not only have to be good to keep your body, you have to do things like save the Earth.

.Dragonball_Legacy · 03-30-2005

QUOTE(Chibi Mystic Gohan @ Mar 30 2005, 01:13 AM)
QUOTE(Dragonball_Legacy @ Mar 29 2005, 04:34 PM)
Actually Bardock was neutral but a bit on the good side, he didn't really have any hero qualities but he valued the lives of his team. He didn't really do that much harm and he probably took quite a bit of blows in the past to protect Toma and the other members of his crew. So Bardock isn't evil, he doesn't seem to care about his sons, but that doesn't make him evil either.

Vegeta, if you must be retold, was very very evil, he despise all life and took advantage over anyone he met. He took advantage over Nappa, he was spoiled by King Vegeta and later by Frieza (ironicly), and later he just seemed to just care all about himself. Piccolo had said that Vegeta's evil would outweigh his good, because he does way too many selfish things.

Bardock may have his faults, but he shows much more good than Vegeta, enough for one true act of self sacrifice to outweigh any evil he has done.

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It doesn't matter if his evil deeds was outweighed by his "one true act of self sacrifice," because you not only have to be good to keep your body, you have to do things like save the Earth.

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You have to attempt to save something to go to heaven. It doesn't matter if it was the Earth, and Bardock had attempted to save his own people, even though he failed, but I think he would fail regardlessly against someone of about 500,000. So give him some slack, Bardock was just forgotten, not turned into a spirit cloud, he was forgotten, because Toei thought he was insignigicant.

evirus · 03-30-2005

goku and bardock necer knew eachother so there wasnt much desire on goku's part to meet him

03-28-2005	#31 (permalink)
.SSJ2 Gohan (9) Namekian Warrior Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 125 Rep Power: 5	If bardock died then why.... QUOTE(the Predator @ Mar 27 2005, 02:00 PM) QUOTE(super saiyan @ Mar 27 2005, 01:43 PM) QUOTE(Bardock ssj7 @ Mar 27 2005, 01:10 PM) If bardock died then why didn't goku meet him in the afterlife? And if he went to hell, then in GT when all the bad guys from hell escaped, where was bardock? Did Akira forgot this? [snapback]319675[/snapback] Akira toriyama did not make dragonball GT it was made by toei animation and thet suck that is why he was not there [snapback]319688[/snapback] i concur. GT sucks thats why bardock wasnt there. and of course they culdnt reveal all characters. i mean king vegeta wasnt there either. [snapback]319695[/snapback] Vegeta (Planet) was very far from earth. From the intel gathered and the picture made by the animators hell and heavan were only for earthlings and people killed by earth inhabitents, and Bardock was neither. I think :S

03-28-2005	#32 (permalink)
..::Bardock::. (13) Great Ape Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 319 Rep Power: 4	If bardock died then why.... Your theory = Crap It was nevar stated.

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.Anakin (8) Saiyan Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 87 Rep Power: 4	If bardock died then why.... QUOTE(the Predator @ Mar 27 2005, 12:11 PM) i so dont agree with you blackmasta. Bardock was not good nor evil he was netral. Saiyans were raised to kill , you culd say hunters are saiyans. will they go to hell? i dunno. But bardock did become good in the end. Bardock is my fav character and i almost know the bardock special by heart. i'll give you some quotes which indicate that he did become good: "This is for all the people we killed under your name, HERE HAVE IT !" (bardock to frieza) "its not too late father, to be different, than him" (In the fake vision) "Kakarot, my son, you were right it wasn't too late, I wish i could've held you in my arms when i had the chance, goodbye my son" (At the end) [snapback]319892[/snapback] Even if you are born and raised to kill, its still wrong. It may have been their way of life, but it was still wrong

03-28-2005	#34 (permalink)
..::Bardock::. (13) Great Ape Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 319 Rep Power: 4	If bardock died then why.... Anakin you might want to take off that signature, it's way to big in file size. But it's true! Bardock became an evil gray cloud!

03-28-2005	#35 (permalink)
.SSJ2 Gohan (9) Namekian Warrior Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 125 Rep Power: 5	If bardock died then why.... But in hell all the super villans are given bodies (as shown in kid buu saga) So why not bardock, or even if he was classed as good and went to heaven then goku would of been told or given the information that bardock was around when he spend 7 years there.

03-28-2005	#36 (permalink)
Chibi Mystic Gohan (26) Great Elder of Namek Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Surrounded by dickgirls Posts: 5,448 Rep Power: 145	If bardock died then why.... GT and Toriyama shouldn't go together in the same sentence, unless it's to say "Toriyama didn't make GT." Bardock went straight to hell. Vegeta did more good than him by the Buu Saga, yet he lost his body. Bardock didn't even do any "good" in the manga... In fact, what did he do that was "good" in the movie? He was just trying to save his ass from Freeza. __________________ "Words don't exist so that we can tell the truth; they exist so that we can conceal the truth" - ZOMBIEPOWDER.* Volume 02*

03-28-2005	#37 (permalink)
.VegettoEX (10) Saiyan Elite Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 136 Rep Power: 5	If bardock died then why.... QUOTE(Crayne @ Mar 27 2005, 06:23 PM) The movie special and GT were not made by AT. That's why Bardock is never shown in the series. Um... yes he was. In fact, Toriyama-sensei did the final designs for Bardock and his team. He loved the TV special so much that he even incorporated a couple bits into the manga. This page isn't finished yet (I want to add Nakatsuru-sensei's original character designs for Bardock & Co., and I want to replace the Viz scans with kanzenban scans)... but it'll totally contradict what you just said . http://www.daizex.com/general/tidbits/bardock.shtml

03-28-2005	#38 (permalink)
.Future_Trunks (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,959 Rep Power: 6	If bardock died then why.... QUOTE The movie special and GT were not made by AT. That's why Bardock is never shown in the series. That says it all. Bardock became a cloud and that's that. no they do show bardock in the anime.. but for like a 2 second... its when freaza saw goku for the first time and he remembers the face of bardock.. QUOTE Vegeta (Planet) was very far from earth. From the intel gathered and the picture made by the animators hell and heavan were only for earthlings and people killed by earth inhabitents, and Bardock was neither. I think :S thats not a bad thoery...

03-28-2005	#39 (permalink)
Duo (26) Great Elder of Namek Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan Posts: 5,259 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 27	If bardock died then why.... It's funny because when Goku ask's "Hey King Enma (Yamma to Anime lovers) do aliens come through here?" "Yes, all species from all planets must pass this checkpoint." "Even Raditz?" "Oh yes, I dealt with him myself." -- FT, He wasn't talking about the Anime. __________________ "Christianity is not about building an absolutely secure little niche in the world where you can live with your perfect little wife and your perfect little children in your beautiful little house where you have no gays or minority groups anywhere near you. Christianity is about learning to love like Jesus loved and Jesus loved the poor and Jesus loved the broken."

03-30-2005	#40 (permalink)
.Dragonball_Legacy (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,135 Rep Power: 0	If bardock died then why.... Actually Bardock was neutral but a bit on the good side, he didn't really have any hero qualities but he valued the lives of his team. He didn't really do that much harm and he probably took quite a bit of blows in the past to protect Toma and the other members of his crew. So Bardock isn't evil, he doesn't seem to care about his sons, but that doesn't make him evil either. Vegeta, if you must be retold, was very very evil, he despise all life and took advantage over anyone he met. He took advantage over Nappa, he was spoiled by King Vegeta and later by Frieza (ironicly), and later he just seemed to just care all about himself. Piccolo had said that Vegeta's evil would outweigh his good, because he does way too many selfish things. Bardock may have his faults, but he shows much more good than Vegeta, enough for one true act of self sacrifice to outweigh any evil he has done.

03-30-2005	#41 (permalink)
.DBZGorrilaman@aol.com (1) Earthling Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	If bardock died then why.... I'm sure the Bardock movie was made after Goku dies in DBZ. And if Bardock came in DBGT it would really change the whole story that they planned out. Or they just forgot.

03-30-2005	#42 (permalink)
Duo (26) Great Elder of Namek Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan Posts: 5,259 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 27	If bardock died then why.... Either way, he'd still just end up as a little soul cloud. __________________ "Christianity is not about building an absolutely secure little niche in the world where you can live with your perfect little wife and your perfect little children in your beautiful little house where you have no gays or minority groups anywhere near you. Christianity is about learning to love like Jesus loved and Jesus loved the poor and Jesus loved the broken."

03-30-2005	#43 (permalink)
Chibi Mystic Gohan (26) Great Elder of Namek Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Surrounded by dickgirls Posts: 5,448 Rep Power: 145	If bardock died then why.... QUOTE(Dragonball_Legacy @ Mar 29 2005, 04:34 PM) Actually Bardock was neutral but a bit on the good side, he didn't really have any hero qualities but he valued the lives of his team. He didn't really do that much harm and he probably took quite a bit of blows in the past to protect Toma and the other members of his crew. So Bardock isn't evil, he doesn't seem to care about his sons, but that doesn't make him evil either. Vegeta, if you must be retold, was very very evil, he despise all life and took advantage over anyone he met. He took advantage over Nappa, he was spoiled by King Vegeta and later by Frieza (ironicly), and later he just seemed to just care all about himself. Piccolo had said that Vegeta's evil would outweigh his good, because he does way too many selfish things. Bardock may have his faults, but he shows much more good than Vegeta, enough for one true act of self sacrifice to outweigh any evil he has done. [snapback]322746[/snapback] It doesn't matter if his evil deeds was outweighed by his "one true act of self sacrifice," because you not only have to be good to keep your body, you have to do things like save the Earth. __________________ "Words don't exist so that we can tell the truth; they exist so that we can conceal the truth" - ZOMBIEPOWDER.* Volume 02*

03-30-2005	#44 (permalink)
.Dragonball_Legacy (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,135 Rep Power: 0	If bardock died then why.... QUOTE(Chibi Mystic Gohan @ Mar 30 2005, 01:13 AM) QUOTE(Dragonball_Legacy @ Mar 29 2005, 04:34 PM) Actually Bardock was neutral but a bit on the good side, he didn't really have any hero qualities but he valued the lives of his team. He didn't really do that much harm and he probably took quite a bit of blows in the past to protect Toma and the other members of his crew. So Bardock isn't evil, he doesn't seem to care about his sons, but that doesn't make him evil either. Vegeta, if you must be retold, was very very evil, he despise all life and took advantage over anyone he met. He took advantage over Nappa, he was spoiled by King Vegeta and later by Frieza (ironicly), and later he just seemed to just care all about himself. Piccolo had said that Vegeta's evil would outweigh his good, because he does way too many selfish things. Bardock may have his faults, but he shows much more good than Vegeta, enough for one true act of self sacrifice to outweigh any evil he has done. [snapback]322746[/snapback] It doesn't matter if his evil deeds was outweighed by his "one true act of self sacrifice," because you not only have to be good to keep your body, you have to do things like save the Earth. [snapback]322809[/snapback] You have to attempt to save something to go to heaven. It doesn't matter if it was the Earth, and Bardock had attempted to save his own people, even though he failed, but I think he would fail regardlessly against someone of about 500,000. So give him some slack, Bardock was just forgotten, not turned into a spirit cloud, he was forgotten, because Toei thought he was insignigicant.

03-30-2005	#45 (permalink)
evirus (16) Master of Kaio-ken Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 627 Rep Power: 5	If bardock died then why.... goku and bardock necer knew eachother so there wasnt much desire on goku's part to meet him