Transformation or Permanent - Page 4

.Future_Trunks · 03-16-2005

gohan is not smart enough to beat S17 because about the time gohan discovers S17 special ability gohan would end up dieing!

(goku has more expirence than gohan)

second against baby...hmmm... baby would probably go inside him! and use him as a host!

ofcourse only a ssj4 would stand a chance against these villans..

.Dragonball_Legacy · 03-16-2005

And by the way SSJ4 isn't really a super saiyan level it's just called SSJ4 to heighten the attention of the tranformation.

Like if you just called Legendary Saiyan, people would go "ohhhh"

But if you call it Super Saiyan 4, people would go "OHHHH!!!"

Gohan is not really that dumb if he just looked at super 17's hands he would have realized that super 17 absorbs energy. They made Gohan much dumber in GT too.

I mean Gohan saw the fight between Vegeta and Android 19, if he had looked back enough he would have remember that.

Besides Gohan is more a physical Technitian than like his father that wastes a kamehameha after a kamehameha.

GOhan would have just teleported behind Super Android 17 after realizing realizing Super Android 17 absorbs energy, which shouldn't take that long and simply use brute strength to rip off Super Android 17's arms. Then Super Android 17 wouldn't able to absorb anymore energy. And would just run off like android 19 and the Gohan would say "Set back and watch my favorite move, my Masenko-Kamehameha".

.Future_Trunks · 03-16-2005

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And by the way SSJ4 isn't really a super saiyan level it's just called SSJ4 to heighten the attention of the tranformation.

Like if you just called Legendary Saiyan, people would go "ohhhh"

But if you call it Super Saiyan 4, people would go "OHHHH!!!"

lol... i am just going by the old kai ... when goku first appeared as a ssj4 the old kai told kebeto kai (this is ssj4)

how the hell shell you know what kinda of a level goku reached..

well he actually warned them about useing the dragonballs to much in Z.. ofcourse i thought he was joking.. but in GT he wasn't

anyway gohan's mystic power is a transformation! and i don't think its toei's fault.. its actually AT's because he didn't explain alot of things in the buu saga like ssj3 and gohan's mystic powers

.Dragonball_Legacy · 03-16-2005

Yeah but it was Toei that decided to name it SSJ4.

Just because it is a tranformation doesn't mean it is or isn't permanent, like with Cell's transformations.

To change markedly the appearance or form of - definition of a tranformation

Gohan's appearace wasn't changed at all when he turned mystic, just his mental appeal did.

That means its not a transformation.

.Future_Trunks · 03-16-2005

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Gohan is not really that dumb if he just looked at super 17's hands he would have realized that super 17 absorbs energy. They made Gohan much dumber in GT too.

I mean Gohan saw the fight between Vegeta and Android 19, if he had looked back enough he would have remember that.

Besides Gohan is more a physical Technitian than like his father that wastes a kamehameha after a kamehameha.

GOhan would have just teleported behind Super Android 17 after realizing realizing Super Android 17 absorbs energy, which shouldn't take that long and simply use brute strength to rip off Super Android 17's arms. Then Super Android 17 wouldn't able to absorb anymore energy. And would just run off like android 19 and the Gohan would say "Set back and watch my favorite move, my Masenko-Kamehameha".

well, i don't think gohan would of rememberd because he was 11 years old and in GT he's like 35 or even 40 years old! i mean honestly who can remember what he ate last year for lunch

SpanktheMonkey · 03-16-2005

good to see that you are taking other ppls thoughts on board now Legacy.

after all that i think that i will state my thoughts which is basically what everyone seems to have come to the conclusion of.

Mystic is a permanent transformation.
much like kamicillo, imperfect cell and perfect cell.
each underwent a 'change' to make themself more powerful.
Now Gohan keeps his elder kai powers indefinetly he cannot lose them, he was made to be the strongest in the world... however the term transformation can also be debated.
Does Gohan turn into a mystic at will or was he turnt into the mystic and cannot revert back?

on another note i was going to put both as a poll option but i thought no one would vote it and think it stupid.

also what is the vote count? i havent voted

.Dragonball_Legacy · 03-16-2005

QUOTE(Future_Trunks @ Mar 16 2005, 03:43 AM)
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Gohan is not really that dumb if he just looked at super 17's hands he would have realized that super 17 absorbs energy. They made Gohan much dumber in GT too.

I mean Gohan saw the fight between Vegeta and Android 19, if he had looked back enough he would have remember that.

Besides Gohan is more a physical Technitian than like his father that wastes a kamehameha after a kamehameha.

GOhan would have just teleported behind Super Android 17 after realizing realizing Super Android 17 absorbs energy, which shouldn't take that long and simply use brute strength to rip off Super Android 17's arms. Then Super Android 17 wouldn't able to absorb anymore energy. And would just run off like android 19 and the Gohan would say "Set back and watch my favorite move, my Masenko-Kamehameha".

well, i don't think gohan would of rememberd because he was 11 years old and in GT he's like 35 or even 40 years old! i mean honestly who can remember what he ate last year for lunch

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Well Broly was able to remember Goku's crying as a little baby.

Truely Gohan would have remembered that. He is much more smarter than you give him credit of.

SpanktheMonkey · 03-16-2005

QUOTE(Future_Trunks @ Mar 16 2005, 01:01 PM)
gohan is not smart enough to beat S17 because about the time gohan discovers S17 special ability gohan would end up dieing!

(goku has more expirence than gohan)

second against baby...hmmm... baby would probably go inside him! and use him as a host!

ofcourse only a ssj4 would stand a chance against these villans..

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baby would have to harm him to use him as a host then again gohan was stupid enough to let him get absorbed

.gogeta the super fusion · 03-21-2005

The form is pernament. Only his power increased , nothing else. It's a power up from the old kai. If M.Gohan can beat up Super buu, Gohan can also beat up bebie. Bebey is too weak to harm M.gohan.

..::Bardock::. · 03-21-2005

The Mystic power-up is both a transformation and it's permanent. Elder Kaioshin told Gohan to try to go Super Saiyajin to unleash his Mystic abilty, and Super Saiyajin is a transformation and it's permanent.

El Diablo · 03-21-2005

The drawimg of Base Gohan before the power up looked different to the Gohan post power up.

10 years later at the Budokai, the post power up drawing was still used, so it was permanent

**Crayne** · 03-21-2005

I'd say a transformation.
He can keep the Chou form for extended periods...just as fpssj.
But, I don't think it would be permanent. Unless Gohan could control the power of the Chou form.

.gogeta the super fusion · 03-21-2005

Which he could. And the only thing that differnce is that Gohan was wearing Gku's uniform. It's Pernament. No, it's a Pernament power Up that only transforms his Power level.

.Byakuya · 03-21-2005

if we are going by the guidlines of DBZ it is permenant

Duo · 03-21-2005

Its not a different form, so how can it be a transformation?

When Goku arrived on Namek, was he a transformed version of his earth self? No. Same princible.

03-16-2005	#46 (permalink)
.Future_Trunks (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,959 Rep Power: 6	Transformation or Permanent gohan is not smart enough to beat S17 because about the time gohan discovers S17 special ability gohan would end up dieing! (goku has more expirence than gohan) second against baby...hmmm... baby would probably go inside him! and use him as a host! ofcourse only a ssj4 would stand a chance against these villans..

03-16-2005	#47 (permalink)
.Dragonball_Legacy (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,135 Rep Power: 0	Transformation or Permanent And by the way SSJ4 isn't really a super saiyan level it's just called SSJ4 to heighten the attention of the tranformation. Like if you just called Legendary Saiyan, people would go "ohhhh" But if you call it Super Saiyan 4, people would go "OHHHH!!!" Gohan is not really that dumb if he just looked at super 17's hands he would have realized that super 17 absorbs energy. They made Gohan much dumber in GT too. I mean Gohan saw the fight between Vegeta and Android 19, if he had looked back enough he would have remember that. Besides Gohan is more a physical Technitian than like his father that wastes a kamehameha after a kamehameha. GOhan would have just teleported behind Super Android 17 after realizing realizing Super Android 17 absorbs energy, which shouldn't take that long and simply use brute strength to rip off Super Android 17's arms. Then Super Android 17 wouldn't able to absorb anymore energy. And would just run off like android 19 and the Gohan would say "Set back and watch my favorite move, my Masenko-Kamehameha".

03-16-2005	#48 (permalink)
.Future_Trunks (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,959 Rep Power: 6	Transformation or Permanent QUOTE And by the way SSJ4 isn't really a super saiyan level it's just called SSJ4 to heighten the attention of the tranformation. Like if you just called Legendary Saiyan, people would go "ohhhh" But if you call it Super Saiyan 4, people would go "OHHHH!!!" lol... i am just going by the old kai ... when goku first appeared as a ssj4 the old kai told kebeto kai (this is ssj4) how the hell shell you know what kinda of a level goku reached.. well he actually warned them about useing the dragonballs to much in Z.. ofcourse i thought he was joking.. but in GT he wasn't anyway gohan's mystic power is a transformation! and i don't think its toei's fault.. its actually AT's because he didn't explain alot of things in the buu saga like ssj3 and gohan's mystic powers

03-16-2005	#49 (permalink)
.Dragonball_Legacy (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,135 Rep Power: 0	Transformation or Permanent Yeah but it was Toei that decided to name it SSJ4. Just because it is a tranformation doesn't mean it is or isn't permanent, like with Cell's transformations. To change markedly the appearance or form of - definition of a tranformation Gohan's appearace wasn't changed at all when he turned mystic, just his mental appeal did. That means its not a transformation.

03-16-2005	#50 (permalink)
.Future_Trunks (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,959 Rep Power: 6	Transformation or Permanent QUOTE Gohan is not really that dumb if he just looked at super 17's hands he would have realized that super 17 absorbs energy. They made Gohan much dumber in GT too. I mean Gohan saw the fight between Vegeta and Android 19, if he had looked back enough he would have remember that. Besides Gohan is more a physical Technitian than like his father that wastes a kamehameha after a kamehameha. GOhan would have just teleported behind Super Android 17 after realizing realizing Super Android 17 absorbs energy, which shouldn't take that long and simply use brute strength to rip off Super Android 17's arms. Then Super Android 17 wouldn't able to absorb anymore energy. And would just run off like android 19 and the Gohan would say "Set back and watch my favorite move, my Masenko-Kamehameha". well, i don't think gohan would of rememberd because he was 11 years old and in GT he's like 35 or even 40 years old! i mean honestly who can remember what he ate last year for lunch

03-16-2005	#51 (permalink)
SpanktheMonkey (26) Great Elder of Namek Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: 'Straya Posts: 4,630 Rep Power: 32	Transformation or Permanent good to see that you are taking other ppls thoughts on board now Legacy. after all that i think that i will state my thoughts which is basically what everyone seems to have come to the conclusion of. Mystic is a permanent transformation. much like kamicillo, imperfect cell and perfect cell. each underwent a 'change' to make themself more powerful. Now Gohan keeps his elder kai powers indefinetly he cannot lose them, he was made to be the strongest in the world... however the term transformation can also be debated. Does Gohan turn into a mystic at will or was he turnt into the mystic and cannot revert back? on another note i was going to put both as a poll option but i thought no one would vote it and think it stupid. also what is the vote count? i havent voted __________________ "You only scared to die if you aint livin' right." XBL: SlyAudio

03-16-2005	#52 (permalink)
.Dragonball_Legacy (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,135 Rep Power: 0	Transformation or Permanent QUOTE(Future_Trunks @ Mar 16 2005, 03:43 AM) QUOTE Gohan is not really that dumb if he just looked at super 17's hands he would have realized that super 17 absorbs energy. They made Gohan much dumber in GT too. I mean Gohan saw the fight between Vegeta and Android 19, if he had looked back enough he would have remember that. Besides Gohan is more a physical Technitian than like his father that wastes a kamehameha after a kamehameha. GOhan would have just teleported behind Super Android 17 after realizing realizing Super Android 17 absorbs energy, which shouldn't take that long and simply use brute strength to rip off Super Android 17's arms. Then Super Android 17 wouldn't able to absorb anymore energy. And would just run off like android 19 and the Gohan would say "Set back and watch my favorite move, my Masenko-Kamehameha". well, i don't think gohan would of rememberd because he was 11 years old and in GT he's like 35 or even 40 years old! i mean honestly who can remember what he ate last year for lunch [snapback]309217[/snapback] Well Broly was able to remember Goku's crying as a little baby. Truely Gohan would have remembered that. He is much more smarter than you give him credit of.

03-16-2005	#53 (permalink)
SpanktheMonkey (26) Great Elder of Namek Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: 'Straya Posts: 4,630 Rep Power: 32	Transformation or Permanent QUOTE(Future_Trunks @ Mar 16 2005, 01:01 PM) gohan is not smart enough to beat S17 because about the time gohan discovers S17 special ability gohan would end up dieing! (goku has more expirence than gohan) second against baby...hmmm... baby would probably go inside him! and use him as a host! ofcourse only a ssj4 would stand a chance against these villans.. [snapback]309186[/snapback] baby would have to harm him to use him as a host then again gohan was stupid enough to let him get absorbed __________________ "You only scared to die if you aint livin' right." XBL: SlyAudio

03-21-2005	#54 (permalink)
.gogeta the super fusion (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,202 Rep Power: 8	Transformation or Permanent The form is pernament. Only his power increased , nothing else. It's a power up from the old kai. If M.Gohan can beat up Super buu, Gohan can also beat up bebie. Bebey is too weak to harm M.gohan.

03-21-2005	#55 (permalink)
..::Bardock::. (13) Great Ape Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 319 Rep Power: 4	Transformation or Permanent The Mystic power-up is both a transformation and it's permanent. Elder Kaioshin told Gohan to try to go Super Saiyajin to unleash his Mystic abilty, and Super Saiyajin is a transformation and it's permanent.

03-21-2005	#56 (permalink)
El Diablo (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,562 Rep Power: 6	Transformation or Permanent The drawimg of Base Gohan before the power up looked different to the Gohan post power up. 10 years later at the Budokai, the post power up drawing was still used, so it was permanent

03-21-2005	#57 (permalink)
Crayne Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Winland Posts: 7,448 Blog Entries: 10 Rep Power: 54	Transformation or Permanent I'd say a transformation. He can keep the Chou form for extended periods...just as fpssj. But, I don't think it would be permanent. Unless Gohan could control the power of the Chou form. __________________ NO WAI

03-21-2005	#58 (permalink)
.gogeta the super fusion (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,202 Rep Power: 8	Transformation or Permanent Which he could. And the only thing that differnce is that Gohan was wearing Gku's uniform. It's Pernament. No, it's a Pernament power Up that only transforms his Power level.

03-21-2005	#59 (permalink)
.Byakuya (18) Artificial Human Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 908 Rep Power: 4	Transformation or Permanent if we are going by the guidlines of DBZ it is permenant

03-21-2005	#60 (permalink)
Duo (26) Great Elder of Namek Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan Posts: 5,259 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 27	Transformation or Permanent Its not a different form, so how can it be a transformation? When Goku arrived on Namek, was he a transformed version of his earth self? No. Same princible. __________________ "Christianity is not about building an absolutely secure little niche in the world where you can live with your perfect little wife and your perfect little children in your beautiful little house where you have no gays or minority groups anywhere near you. Christianity is about learning to love like Jesus loved and Jesus loved the poor and Jesus loved the broken."